LA VERGNE POLICE SEX SCANDAL- THE INVESTIGATION INTERVIEWS- PART 2

Round 2- The Follow Up Interviews. The Final Round...Or Is It?

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During investigations, both criminal and administrative, it is common practice to interview all of the involved parties first, and then go back and perform follow-up interviews to clear up any conflicting information. That is the process that the Human Resources Investigator used for this investigation. These are the 2nd, and final, rounds of interviews with all of the officers involved, in the order they were interviewed.

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OFFICER MAEGAN HALL- Part 2 of 3

HR Interview of Meagan Hall (367) – Part 2

Patton: Alright. Well, first again, sorry about your morning.

Hall: Ugh, it’s fine.

Patton: I’m glad that you were not hurt at all in that. Um so, um, you and I talked last Friday morning, um, so this is a follow‐up um interview. Um, on the topics that we talked about, okay. Before we launch into some questions, I know Chief has a document he wants to show you.

Davis: Familiar with that document?

Hall: Huh?

Davis: You familiar with the Garrity warning?

Hall: Yes.

Davis: Uh, do you need to read it?

Hall: Uh, no, I’ve read it before.

Davis: Okay. If you agree to what’s on there, I need you to sign for it, please. Down at the bottom, yes.

Hall: This one?

Davis: 21.

Patton: So, um, I‐I want to ask some follow‐up questions on some information that you gave me last Friday.

Hall: Okay.

Patton: Um, just to kind of start out um, you know when we talked last Friday you gave me some information um and then you called me yesterday?

Hall: Yes.

Patton: And said that you had not been honest on one element of my questioning last Friday. Um, and that so, you wanted to clarify that and that clarification was that you and Patrick Magliocco had been involved.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. So, obviously that admission of not being honest brought a couple of other things back to the table. Um, and Chief and I have been um you know, fully enmeshed in all of our interviews. Um, and so, I said I think it’s probably best that we revisit some things.

Hall: Uh‐huh.

Patton: Uh, some things that are not lining up. Um, to give you another opportunity you know, to answer some stuff. So, um, you got anything before?

Davis: No.

Patton: Okay. So, um, so, I think I want to start with you‐you already talked with me about Larry Holladay. I don’t have any follow‐up questions on Larry Holladay. So, you talked about, yesterday you talked about Patrick.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Um, I think you told me on the phone maybe three or four times you guys have gotten together. Um, can you tell me what the first time that you and Patrick were intimate at any level? Like, what that first moment was. Do you remember when it happened the first time?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: What was the date or the experience?

Hall: I don’t remember the date. Uh, it was whenever we went, we all were at Eric’s boat‐

Patton: At the boat, okay. So, I had that and when we talked about the boat um you‐you told me who was there and that all matches what I have. Obviously, you talked about the drinking, it was pretty heavily.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: We dimed on that event. Um, what you didn’t mention to me that night was any um kind of sexual improprieties that took place there, okay. So, I wanted to give you to opportunity to share, from your perspective, what happened with Magliocco there again. Because that would give me confirmation on information that I have already received.

Hall: Right.

Patton: So, can you tell me what happened on the boat?

Hall: Um, so his wife showed up and I think she had to work the next morning. So, we were walking her to her car and on the way back we were just talking and we went to‐it was some cut off near one of the shorelines and we‐we had intercourse.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: And then we just walked back to the boat.

Patton: Okay. Is the walk up a hill? Do you remember going up a hill at one point?

Hall: There‐it was either up or down. It was, there was like a‐

Patton: Okay. Up to the car, back down to the boat.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay, and did you make that walk with him multiple times on that day?

Hall: I want to say it was only once, it might have been twice.

Patton: Okay. Is it possible that you went to the top of the hill under the either initial understanding of like “Hey, this is the best place to get cell service, then you can make a phone call.”

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: And was there making out that happened at that moment?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay, okay. And on the boat itself, tell me about what happened in the bathroom.

Hall: Oh, we‐we had sex in there.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: Um, and I just stayed in the shower until he walked out for a little bit.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Where at on the boat?

Hall: It was in one of the bathrooms.

Patton: Do you remember what deck? I’m told it’s like a three‐three deck boat.

Hall: It was on the top one.

Patton: Okay. Do you remember anybody that saw you?

Hall: No one saw us. Eric knocked on the door to use the bathroom.

Patton: Okay, and did you respond to Eric, did he respond to Eric, how‐

Hall: I don’t remember who responded.

Patton: Okay, okay. Um, any reason that that wasn’t shared in the first interview, other than the fact that you had said no to Patrick in the first interview? Okay. Alright, so, I asked you about Sergeant Powell. Um, you’re‐I‐I wrote down two nos and I think my first question was “Have you been intimate with Sergeant Powell?” You said no and I asked you another specific question about “Have you been intimate or had sex with Sergeant Powell while on duty in a City building?” and you said no.

Hall: Correct.

Patton: Um, I‐I have pretty solid information that it took place. Including information about you being very distressed when you and Sergeant Powell had to end your relationship because he did not want to hurt his career, he didn’t want his wife to find out, you spoke to some people um about, when you came to work that‐that day, about that relationship. So, given the untruthfulness that happened in the first interview, I want to revisit that question and give you an opportunity to again tell me what happened between you and Sergeant Powell.

Hall: We haven’t had any form of intercourse.

Patton: At all?

Hall: No.

Patton: Have you had any kind of sexual encounter‐

Hall: No.

Patton: ‐at all? Have you ever dated him?

Hall: No. God, no.

Davis: Nope?

Patton: Why are people‐why are people telling me this is happening? I don’t understand that.

Hall: Probably because we spend a lot of time together on shift and they’re assuming things. But like I said in our first interview, he knows my interests further down in my career and he’s definitely the prime person to go to because he’s a Sergeant in that specific field.

Davis: That’s pretty specific information for people to‐to say she came in distraught about ending the relationship with Sergeant Powell. That’s not an assumption, that’s something that’s very specific and something that would have had to been conveyed between [inaudible].

Hall: I don’t know who would start something like that is the thing. I’m not going to have sex with a Sergeant and we’re not going to have any form of relationship.

Patton: Okay. So, your answer is still “nothing happened” between you and Sergeant Powell?

Hall: Yes.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: When’s the last time you spoke to Sergeant Powell?

Hall: Um, I called him the day that I got admitted into the hospital, because he was the shift supervisor.

Davis: Did you all talk, did you actually talk?

Hall: I told him briefly what was happening.

Davis: Why him?

Hall: Because he was the only one on shift that day. I know Eric had been out for his hip injection and he was saying that was hurting so he may call out that weekend on Thursday and then he told me to call next in line and we don’t have a Lieutenant so I went to Captain Kaul and told him what was going on.

Davis: Let‐let me say this to you. You know, I’ve been a fan of yours, I’ve watched you work hard to get this job, you know, being outside. There were times with your car crashes that people wanted you dismissed, but I fought for you. I don’t want that to be in vain. You know, I feel like that you could be truthful with us. Um, look at this as saving your career, not saving Sergeant Powell’s, not saving whoever else is involved in this investigation. Um, right now I feel like we’re going down a dark path that ain’t looking too good. You know, uh, I don’t want to lose anybody but if we continue to go down this dark path, it won’t end up good. I won’t have a final decision on this but um, let’s not do that. So, let’s revisit some of these things and uh if there’s some information that hasn’t been disclosed, let’s just talk about it, let’s just get it out there. Because we’re not asking you any questions that we don’t know already. You see this? You see that stack there? We got a lot of information. So, let’s just talk and get that out there. Let’s get it off your chest, let’s just get it off your chest so we can get this behind us and move onto the next stage. Okay?

Patton: So, when I asked you about if you had sent nudes to anybody um you told me Magliocco‐

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Schoeberl, and Holladay and you I think went onto say like Holladay because you guys were‐

Hall: involved.

Patton: ‐involved.

Hall: Yes.

Patton: Um, I know for a fact that you were not honest because I asked you who else you sent it to and you said nobody. So, I want to tell you that I have seen photos and I have watched videos. So, who else did you send videos and nudes to besides the three people that you told me in the first interview?

Hall: Lugo…and Ty.

Davis: Who did you say?

Patton: Ty. Okay. So, let’s start with Lugo. Why‐why did you not give me his name um last Friday?

Hall: Okay. Me and Sergeant Powell have a thing.

Patton: So, let’s just pause. Okay? Again, what Chief said is very true. We’re not asking you anything that we don’t already know and I need you to be honest, okay? Because Meagan, I‐I’ve seen things and watched things this week that I didn’t‐[inaudible] to watch, right? Um, and I just‐so, I just need to understand how we got to where we’re at. So, tell me about Sergeant Powell.

Hall: I just don’t want to fuck up his career and‐

Patton: It’s not‐it’s not up to you‐

Davis: That’s‐that’s

Hall: ‐and marriage, my marriage.

Patton: ‐on his career.

Davis: This is all about you, this is not about anybody else. This is about you and your career, okay?

Hall: I just‐

Davis: We’ll deal with him.

Hall: Me and [inaudible] been‐we’ve been going through a lot and I just‐

Patton: Does he know about any of this? Okay. So, just so you know I don’t talk to spouses. I can’t talk about it to anybody else.

Davis: Right.

Patton: As far as I’m concerned, I don’t talk to spouses. I said to you last Friday, as I’ve said to every single other person I’ve spoken to, what you do outside of work, I don’t care, I don’t even judge, when it comes to work, that’s why we’re here. Because this has come to work. So, I’m not‐I’m not calling your husband, I’m not communicating with anybody else’s spouse.

Davis: Neither am I.

Patton: That is up to you. But I would like to know all of the details about Sergeant Powell, because I know a lot.

Hall: So, we’ve had sex a lot, he’s just been there for me, I was there for him, because his wife just doesn’t want to have sex with him. Me and my husband were kind of on the verge of a divorce and I just cracked and then it just kind of got out of hand.

Patton: Okay. When did‐when did it start?

Hall: That was a while ago, I can’t put an exact number on it.

Patton: This year, last year?

Hall: It was this year.

Patton: Okay. When did it end? Or has it ended?

Hall: No, yeah. It has, it was probably a month or two ago.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: I think it was two months, yeah, it was two months ago.

Davis: So, you and Sergeant Powell, where did it happen on duty?

Hall: I just gave him a blowjob‐

Davis: Hm?

Hall: I just gave him a blowjob in the substation.

Davis: Where?

Patton: Substation.

Davis: Substation, okay.

Patton: Okay. Inside?

Hall: Yes, sir.

Davis: And I‐I want to mirror what Andrew said. I‐I don’t judge, I don’t have, I don’t care what happens outside. My‐my job is here inside these walls and what happens inside these walls. But I’ve been in this a while and what happens on the outside somehow always makes it to the inside and that’s where the problem comes in at.

Patton: Um, I‐I knew that there was a blowjob at the substation. I’ve‐I’ve had that, okay.

Davis: Yeah.

Patton: So, you didn’t tell me anything we didn’t already know. Um, I have your relationship ending in like July‐ish, but you’re saying it was more like October?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Okay. So, while we’re being honest, okay, because that’s where we’re at, obviously, I told you on Friday, you have an obligation to be honest, right? And you do as a Police Officer. Did he ever pressure you?

Hall: No. it was consensual.

Patton: Okay. Um, and when you were at the substation, you both were 10‐8? Okay.

Davis: Let me ask you this. Um, when did you get released from the hospital?

Hall: Monday. Uh, last week.

Davis: The 15th, 16th?

Hall: I think the 15th.

Patton: Last Monday was the 12th.

Davis: 12th.

Patton: Last Monday was the 12th and you reached out to me on the 12th.

Davis: I know you had contact with him on the 8th, from the 12th on, have you all had contact with each

other, talked about this?

Hall: No.

Patton: Are you positive?

Davis: There’s‐there’s some very specific information that both of you all have said that came from this setting. You’ve already given us Powell, if y’all talked, y’all talked. I mean.

Patton: Did you‐was he pressuring you to not disclose him?

Davis: Or anybody on his behalf?

Patton: Yeah, let me‐let me back that up. The question is, has anybody within the LaVergne‐City of LaVergne pressured you in any way, text, Snapchat, Facebook message, Instagram message, any form, to not talk about Powell? Okay. So, that was a yes. Who?

Hall: Powell.

Patton: Powell. Do you have that on text?

Hall: Not anymore.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: But it was through text?

Hall: Uh, he had me meet up at Planet Fitness in Murfreesboro.

Patton: When?

Hall: Wednesday, Thursday.

Patton: Of last week?

Hall: Of last week, yes.

Davis: You said a meetup.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: Anybody else?

Hall: No, that was it.

Davis: [inaudible]

Patton: Are you sure? I’m going to stay on that for a moment, are you sure?

Hall: I’m pretty sure, yeah. He’s the only‐he’s the only one I’ve been talking to about it.

Patton: Okay. Um, sorry I’m looking for a very specific piece of paper.

Davis: Pmag talk to you? Y’all talk?

Hall: I was trying to text him and it was more just like “hey, we can’t talk about this.”

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: So, so given the names that we’ve mentioned, who are you closest to?

Hall: Mags.

Davis: Mag, okay.

Patton: Powell asked you to meet him at Planet Fitness, right?

Hall: Yeah, he didn’t tell me what it was about until I got there.

Patton: Tell me about what he said when you got there.

Hall: He said that he went in for shift that Tuesday, I think, and he had a meeting, they followed him back to his house, kind of told him, his wife and kids were there talking about what was going on, took his dog, put him on admin leave.

Patton: Okay, and then what kind of instructions did he give you?

Hall: It wasn’t instruction it was more of just like “my career, my life is on thin ice” basically.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: And mine I guess, too. And I just‐we just kind of, he said he denied everything, he said nothing happened and‐

Patton: So, you knew that coming into Friday?

Davis: What made you lie for him? Does that hurt his career to lie for him, but does it hurt yours?

Hall: Mine.

Davis: Anything else Sergeant Powell say?

Hall: We just talked about what they asked‐

Davis: I’m sorry?

Hall: We just talked about the questions that he was asked.

Davis: Okay.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: And that they were going on vacation so he wouldn’t be able to talk to me for a while.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: I think they went to Gatlinburg.

Patton: Okay. They did, and now they’re back. Has he reached out since he came back? Yeah, and when did he reach out?

Hall: Today and yesterday.

Patton: He knows you’re here.

Hall: Yes.

Patton: What did‐what did you guys talk about before you walked in here today? Stick to the story?

Hall: Yeah, he just wanted me to stick to the story and deny it all and‐

Patton: He said that? He goes “stick to the story and deny it all?”

Hall: Yeah, well he said he denied everything, they have no evidence, they have no proof and‐

Davis: How did he know you had to come here today?

Hall: Because I‐he asked if I‐he asked when the follow‐up interview was.

Davis: Okay.

Patton: Okay. Was that the only time it happened while you were on duty?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Everything else was off duty?

Hall: Yes.

Patton: Okay. You asked an Officer to borrow money to get a hotel room. Was it to hook‐was it to be with Powell?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. Okay. Um, tell me about Ty.

Hall: That was just maybe two times.

Patton: That you had sex with him?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: At his house?

Hall: Yeah, it was at his house.

Patton: And was one of them uh December 5th, on a Sunday? Before all of this happened?

Hall: It was‐this, I want to say it was the week of my admission.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: Yep.

Patton: Yeah, so you got admitted on Thursday.

Hall: Fri‐uh, Thursday.

Patton: Thursday, right?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: So, you‐you‐

Hall: I originally went over to‐

Patton: You went over to PMag’s on Tuesday. Right?

Hall: For Christmas.

Patton: Yeah, they were setting up a Christmas tree‐

Hall: Yes.

Patton: ‐you went over there. Um, you know, I had some information that you potentially cut yourself either Monday or Tuesday of that week.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Okay, and then‐but I also learned that you were at Ty’s house on Sunday.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. So, unfold the whole relationship, start to finish, with Ty.

Hall: I mean, we’ve been close forever.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: He‐on multiple times would say, you know, use me, you know if you ever want to have sex, use me. Um, exactly like that. Um, I mean, he would always just talk about me like that um and I‐I put it off for a long time. I mean, we’ve only had sex twice and we’ll send pictures back and forth but um‐

Davis: He sent pics and you sent pics?

Hall: Mm‐hmm. Sunday, or that Sunday we had sex, I don’t remember the exact timeframe of the other time we had sex. It was probably, maybe a month or so before.

Patton: What kind of communication have you had with Ty during this investigation?

Hall: Uh, about the investigation, none. Uh, we‐well no, I did ask if he had said something about us but that was the only thing. He said, you know, “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” I don’t know, “this discussion didn’t happen” type of thing.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm.

Hall: Other than that, I asked him to send me some workout plans because he works out a lot.

Patton: Okay. Mm‐hmm. Um, so, he said “I don’t know what you’re talking about, this discussion didn’t happen.”

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Did you ask him “hey, what’s going on?” This was obviously before you met me, right? Last Friday.

Hall: No, it was after?

Patton: It was after.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. Um, what do you remember about your communication with him on Thursday? The day before you met me.

Hall: That must have been the day. Because uh, Lewis told me that they had mentioned him in there. So, it was‐it was the day before.

Patton: Lewis told you that who mentioned him?

Hall: Ty had said something to‐Ty‐Ty said he denied it to Lewis, that anything ever happened.

Patton: So, Ty and Lewis talked on that Thursday?

Hall: I’m assuming.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: Whatever it was, it was after the interview.

Patton: So, Ty told you that he and Lewis had talked‐

Hall: No. Uh, Lewis told me that.

Davis: Lewis told you that.

Patton: Okay. So, I want to make sure I get that.

Hall: Yeah, that Lewis and Ty talked.

Patton: Lewis told you‐

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: ‐that Lewis and Ty talked.

Hall: Ty talked, yes.

Patton: And Ty said what?

Hall: Uh, he told him he denied it, that anything happened.

Patton: So, is it correct in saying that by Ty telling Lewis that “I denied it.” Would insinuate that Ty had an investigative meeting? Is that a safe assumption? Is that what you assumed happened when he said “I denied it.” That somebody asked Ty?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Okay. Are you aware of any meeting that Ty had with me?

Hall: Not until Lewis had mentioned it to me.

Patton: And what did Lewis tell you about my meeting with Ty, specifically?

Hall: Just that something was brought up and that he um, he said no, we didn’t have sex, nothing happened.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: That’s about it.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: I’m going to ask you a specific question and‐has there ever been an encounter when it was both Lewis and Ty and you?

Hall: No.

Davis: Okay. You’re positive about that?

Hall: Yes.

Davis: Okay.

Patton: So, we talked about a threesome idea in our Friday meeting.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: You denied it. However, I know it happened.

Hall: A threesome happened?

Davis: Not with‐not with the names I just said.

Patton: Not with them.

Davis: Right.

Patton: But I know that you were involved with somebody’s wife.

Hall: Making out, but as far as‐

Patton: But that was the‐you had talked about a threesome‐

Hall: Right, right.

Patton: ‐y’all had made out.

Hall: Me and Amy, we kissed but‐

Patton: Okay, didn’t go any farther than that.

Hall: ‐there was no Mags and it‐no.

Patton: Okay, okay. So, is that when your husband came in and saw you guys kissing?

Hall: He wasn’t even home then.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: No.

Patton: So‐

Hall: No, when that happened, when Mags was like right by us, and then on the couch Mags was like “If y’all start making out, maybe Jed will get into, my husband, into the idea.” And when we started making out, Jed was like “no.”

Patton: Yeah.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Okay. And then‐and then there was a conversation the next day, about “I thought Jed was down for this.” And you were like, “Yeah, no.”

Hall: Yeah, [inaudible] me and my husband have had a threesome before so, I‐I didn’t know if it was going to like, I didn’t think he would have an issue with it.

Patton: Got it, okay, okay. So, last Friday I asked about, I asked you about Ty, you know.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: You told me you went to his house, you told me that you’ve never sent him nudes. So, obviously we’ve identified that was not the truth, okay. Um, is there anything else about Ty that you have not shared? Has Ty pressured you at all to not talk about himself?

Hall: I mean, it’s more of like a “this can’t get out” type of you know, “this conversation never happened.” Type of thing.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: I don’t consider it pressure because I was thinking the same thing.

Patton: Right.

Hall: Like, we don’t want the PD to know.

Patton: Right, right. Um, okay. What about um Dwyer?

Hall: Dwyer? Have a sent nudes or had sex with Dwyer?

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: No. We don’t even hang out outside of the‐

Patton: Any reason why his name was brought to me just yesterday?

Hall: I have absolutely no idea. I’m pretty sure I have all of my Facebook messages for him too and I can show those to you.

Patton: Okay. Um, I mean full disclosure, while we’re all being honest, I don’t know why either. I don’t‐I don’t know why a name‐

Davis: We don’t know, [inaudible]‐

Hall: I heard he‐he liked me and‐

Patton: Yeah, but‐

Hall: ‐I don’t know if he’s gone and said something.

Patton: ‐think‐think‐think about it more from a um, detective perspective, right?

Hall: Okay.

Patton: I’m two weeks into this case‐

Hall: Right.

Patton: I’m basically completed, I know what happened‐

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: ‐and then I get a name dropped to me yesterday.

Hall: No, I‐I can show you the‐

Patton: And I don’t understand why.

Hall: No.

Patton: Um, does anybody have a beef with him and they’re trying to bury him in the middle of this?

Hall: I mean, I know SWAT doesn’t really like him being on there. So, maybe.

Patton: Hm, and who, because I don’t know, I honestly don’t know the answer to this.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Who among all the men that we’ve talked about is on SWAT or involved with SWAT?

Hall: Is Lewis still?

Patton: I‐I don’t know.

Hall: He’s still on?

Davis: Lewis is still on.

Hall: Yeah, then it would be Lewis.

Patton: Okay. So, Lewis is on SWAT.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Does Ty do anything with SWAT?

Hall: Not that I’m aware of.

Patton: Okay. Mags?

Hall: Maybe‐no, Mags isn’t. Lugo, is he on SWAT?

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Lugo is on the team.

Patton: Okay. So, two guys, well Lugo, you’ve sent a nude to.

Hall: Yes.

Patton: Okay. And he’s sent one to you.

Hall: Yes.

Patton: Okay. When you mentioned last Friday that people have been sending dick pics, is that the one you were talking about?

Hall: So, they were sending it but what started it was they were showing them

Patton: Yep.

Hall: ‐during shift.

Patton: In the back of the parking lot‐

Hall: Yes.

Patton: ‐at 10 o’clock.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Yep, yep. I got all that‐I’ve got all that video, I’ve seen it all.

Hall: Yeah, yeah.

Patton: Okay. That’s why I’m like, we don’t need to lie, like I’ve got it all. So, there’s video at the substation.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Yeah.

Patton: Um so, who else, not showed first, but who else sent dick pics besides Lugo?

Hall: Uh, Gavin.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Who did you say?

Patton: Gavin and Holladay‐

Hall: Well, yeah.

Patton: ‐PMag‐

Hall: Oh, I thought you were talking about for Gavin specific‐

Davis: It was‐

Patton: Yep, anybody, Ty?

Hall: Yes, yeah.

Patton: Okay. Um, do we have a‐do we have a jealous boyfriend kind of complex happening somewhere in the City and this is how it came to me? Like has any of these men found out “well, I found out she’s with all these other people, so, now I’m pissed.” Like‐

Hall: I mean‐

Patton: ‐if you can unpack all that we know, you know it now.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: What’s the motivation to bring this to me?

Hall: I have no idea. Like when we initially started this, the shift‐

Patton: Because it didn’t come to me, who you think it came to me from.

Hall: ‐comradery‐Mags?

Patton: Mm‐hmm. It didn’t come to me from Mags.

Hall: Yeah, yeah.

Patton: And I know you think that because you asked him about it.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: But it didn’t come from him.

Davis: Who’d you say, ex?

Patton: Mags.

Davis: No, yeah.

Patton: He’s about as scared shitless as you are.

Hall: Yeah, he said he was really shocked.

Patton: Okay. So, I‐I’m trying to now dissect why did it come to me.

Hall: I‐like I said, the comradery has been really great here lately and then it seemed like when I left admin for the hospital leave, I just found out about it.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: It just‐it came out of nowhere.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm.

Hall: Like everyone works really well together, on our shift.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: Danny is the only one that doesn’t really like our shift, that’s why he’s transferring. But I mean, I don’t know‐I don’t know why he would do something like that. We’re cordial, we work well together. We’re not really‐

Patton: It’s‐it’s not Danny.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: He’s not in this, so. Okay.

Hall: I have no idea.

Davis: Can I ask you a couple of questions?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: Who‐was anybody, these names that you mentioned, I know you’re married, I’m not worried about that part of it, were you in a relationship with any of these people or was it just a hookup? Who would you feel that you were in a relationship with?

Hall: I guess you could consider me and Larry, because it was for a while.

Davis: Okay.

Hall: Like, not dating but, open. I mean‐

Davis: That’s‐that’s fine.

Hall: ‐me and Lewis had like a long, outstanding relationship but we definitely we’re dating.

Davis: Yeah. Because one of the things we are trying to figure out, it‐it does appear like there’s somebody who‐who is upset that they wasn’t the only one.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: And‐

Patton: There’s some motivation here somewhere.

Davis: There’s some motivation behind it that we can’t put our finger on just yet. Not‐not‐not anything on your part of it. But, it seems like if I put all of these people out here, then that’ll take‐take it off of me, but I want to put these people out there because they got what I got.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: You get what I’m saying? Um, and I‐I want you to think about this. Is there anybody else in the department that we haven’t mentioned that sent nudes, you sent nudes of you being entangled with anybody?

Hall: Entangled with?

Davis: Here‐here in the department. Let’s talk‐let’s, well I’ll just go because I just want to go through the names of people that hang out. Y’all used to hang out every Tuesday and you’d come every now and again?

Patton: Liedtke.

Davis: Liedtke.

Hall: Actually, me and Liedtke haven’t hung out outside of shift.

Davis: Have y’all‐

Hall: Anytime they have like a bros night, you know, I’m always busy, I live an hour away so, I can’t really go and drink and then.

Davis: Have you all traded pictures?

Hall: No, absolutely not.

Davis: Have y’all hooked up?

Hall: Liedtke? No.

Patton: Lugo. Does he hang out when you guys are out drinking?

Hall: I mean, he has a baby now so, don’t go‐I don’t go drinking with like Liedtke or Lugo.

Patton: Have you ever hung out with Lugo outside of work?

Hall: Yes.

Patton: When and where?

Hall: Uh, it was once, we went to, what’s that place called? Um, Fun U‐it’s that go‐kart, arcade‐

Patton: In Antioch?

Hall: No, it’s in Murfreesboro.

Patton: Oh.

Hall: Go‐Go Fun‐Go Fun USA?

Patton: I’m just going to write go‐kart‐oh, okay. USA, something like that.

Davis: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Um, in Murfreesboro and it was just the two of you?

Hall: Yeah, and he‐he wanted to get a hotel.

Patton: Why didn’t you? Or did you?

Hall: We did, I mean.

Davis: You said you did?

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Okay.

Patton: And did you have sex?

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: How many times you and Lugo get together?

Hall: Just once.

Davis: Huh?

Hall: Just once.

Davis: Just once.

Patton: That was the only time?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: And about when was that?

Hall: Maybe two or three months ago.

Davis: Who was the $50 for? Was that for Lewis, Lugo, Larry or who? When you needed it‐

Hall: It was for Lewis.

Davis: Lewis, okay. But you and Lugo did‐

Hall: Because he was wanting to keep it off of his uh, his bank statement.

Davis: Okay. How‐how long ago was that with you and Lugo?

Patton: She said two or three months ago.

Hall: Yeah, two‐three‐yeah.

Davis: Two, three months ago? Okay, I’m sorry.

Patton: Who else?

Hall: That would have like a motive?

Patton: No‐who else have you had sex with‐

Davis: No, no, no, anybody else, going back to‐going back to my question‐

Hall: No, no, that’s it.

Patton: Okay. Um, what about Durham?

Hall: No. Absolutely not. He’s head of IA here that would definitely be a bad move. No.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: We were‐me, him and Mags were in the hot tub together.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Hall: But that’s it.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: So, what happened when Durham came to your room in the boat?

Hall: Uh, so I woke up in my room, I saw him there, he took a hit of my vape because he liked the flavor that it was and then I was like, half asleep, I saw him do it, and then he walked out to go back to his room. That’s all that happened.

Davis: Honest?

Hall: Yeah, I swear to god. Yes.

Davis: Okay.

Hall: That’s all that happened.

Davis: We knew that too.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Mm‐hmm. That’s why I asked about it.

Davis: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Um, how about Fire guys? Have you ever been with a fireman here?

Hall: No.

Patton: How about Box 100?

Hall: No.

Patton: Do you talk to anybody at Fire or Box 100 regularly?

Hall: I don’t talk to anyone at Box 100, I mean‐

Patton: Do you know anyone at Box 100?

Hall: Who’s that girl, the older? Laura?

Patton: Okay.

Hall: I know her.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: She’s the one that got me to go talk to the Girl Scouts one time.

Davis: Oh, yeah. I remember that.

Patton: Do you talk to her regularly?

Hall: Not really.

Patton: Hang out outside of work?

Hall: Uh‐uh. Fire, I see them on scene but‐

Patton: That’s it? Never hung out with Fire anywhere?

Hall: God, no. [inaudible] got my number somehow and he‐

Patton: Anybody send you dick pics from Fire?

Hall: No, he was just trying to like, I guess, he said he was going through a divorce and he was lonely, is what he kept hinting at but I was like, “No, I’m‐I don’t want to get involved.” I mean, I’m pretty sure I was still at the apartment at the time, me and Jed were‐I hadn’t done anything like this at that time, so.

Patton: Okay. What’s still on your mind that I haven’t asked about yet?

Hall: I just don’t really get where this came about, I don’t really know why, I don’t know how that this came about.

Davis: Well, I will tell you this, it didn’t come through the Police Department. So, it was out‐

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: Because he brought this to me.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm. It came directly to me.

Davis: Yeah, I had no knowledge of this whatsoever, um.

Hall: Came from somewhere in the City?

Davis: Look‐I‐I don’t know‐I don’t know. Let‐let me say this. The only thing I’m disappointed in you about is doing it on duty. I‐I have no judgement whatsoever what you do outside. I‐I really don’t, I‐I’m human, Andrew’s human, I’ve been a young cop, I’ve been in it for 22 years now, I get it. I don’t‐I don’t‐I don’t care about that part of it, I’m just disappointed that it happened on duty because‐

Hall: I didn’t necessarily want to do it on duty.

Davis: Yeah.

Patton: Were you pressured to do it?

Davis: Was you pressured to do it on duty?

Hall: I wasn’t pressured, we were‐I was actually about to leave when it happened and he was like “well, the City’s not busy, no one’s on this side of town.” But that’s‐

Davis: He was kind of persistent with it?

Hall: He just kept mentioning it.

Davis: Um, you know and the reason why I say I’m disappointed about it on duty is because our job is to provide the best law enforcement service that we can for the community and that wasn’t it.

Hall: No, I know.

Davis: Um, what do you feel, I mean, what’s your desired outcome of this?

Hall: Of this?

Davis: Of all of this. What‐what is your desired outcome?

Hall: Honestly, to move past it and just get back on the road and‐

Davis: How‐how‐do you think you’ll be successful being on the road and knowing this is out there? I mean, it’s not out there but how do you think you’ll be successful around these guys?

Hall: I definitely don’t necessarily want to be around second shift. Especially if all of this is out.

Davis: What have you learned?

Hall: Just‐

Davis: What‐what do they say? Don’t dip your ink in the company‐don’t dip your pen in the company

ink‐

Patton: Somebody said “don’t dip your pen in the company ink.”

Davis: Yeah.

Hall: I learned that nothing outside of the PD stays outside of the PD. I just‐I fucked up.

Davis: I mean it’s‐it’s‐yeah.

Hall: I got stupid, I got desperate, I guess and guys are guys and they’ll stick their dick in anything.

Davis: So, one of the things I have to do as a Chief is once we get past this I have to figure out how you’re going to be successful coming back and going out there. Um, I would say that one of the things that would happen would be, you wouldn’t be on second shift anymore.

Hall: I was actually going to request that.

Davis: But, we have to see, again, you know this came through HR, so I can’t say that this is necessarily my investigation, but it happened in the Police Department, that’s why I got included in on it. So, all of the decisions, well none of the decisions will be either of us because we don’t have that kind of say on on any of this stuff. But, we’re supposed to be wrapping gifts right now, we’re supposed to be eating cookies, drinking cocoa and all that kind of stuff. Here’s right‐it’s right here at Christmas time but yet we’re dealing with a scandal in the department and we shouldn’t be doing that. We shouldn’t be doing that. You know, I should be winding down to be off work, but now I have to give up days off to deal with this because this is important to me. You know, I feel bad because this happened on my watch. So.

Patton: I think you and I and the Chief need to have an agreement when that door opens. Okay? You are still on, you are still a Police Officer in LaVergne, and you are still compensated by the City and that has not changed since the moment you left, right? Now, we use admin pay for many different reasons. One of them is to support, and that’s how this started, and one of them is to suspend and that’s where we’re at. Um, but the reason we do a suspension with pay is because we still leave with positive intent and we still let the investigation take place, right? I know other places I have worked in this situation, you would be suspended with no pay and if you keep your job, then they do back pay.

Davis: Right.

Patton: We don’t do that, we‐you, there’s no finan‐you have taken no financial hit. When you walk out that door though, you cannot talk about this investigation anymore.

Hall: Okay.

Patton: And although, like Chief said, he doesn’t make the decision, I also don’t make the decision in this City of who stays and who goes. That is not something that any department head makes, it’s one person that makes the decision on hiring and firing in the City. But it will come with a very strong recommendation if I get anymore wind that you are talking to people‐

Hall: I understand.

Patton: ‐that we will make that decision before this investigation is done.

Davis: Right. All bets are off at that point.

Patton: Because it’s got to stop. It’s got to stop. I don’t know what you do to make it stop other than‐

Hall: Just stop.

Patton: ‐stop.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: But, it’s got to stop.

Davis: You know the numbers that’s going to call your phone.

Patton: You know the numbers that’s going to call your phone as soon as you walk out this building.

Davis: Yeah.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: And you know what you’ve just told me.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: And we appreciate that, we appreciate your honesty. We really do. I wasn’t in the first conversation so, I don’t‐I really don’t know what you all talked about, he just briefed me. But, I appreciate your honesty. Thank you. And we’re still leaving the door open that if you remember something else, contact one of us.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm.

Davis: You can do that. But, I think you’ve already done it after the fact I think with PMag or whatever. So, we appreciate that.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm.

Davis: But, um this helps. This‐this puts some pieces to a puzzle that we’ve haven’t for a while.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm.

Davis: Most of it we did, but some of it we didn’t. So, thank you.

Patton: Um, I also just want to acknowledge, I’m not in your shoes, I’m not sitting in your seat, I’m not going to make that drive back home. You are. Um, but I would imagine it’s not a very comfortable position sitting across from me and the Chief having these conversations is highly uncomfortable, we don’t want to do it and I know you don’t want to do it. Um, and everybody in life deserves second chances, third chances, fourth chances, all of that takes place. Um, I think all of that will be considered in the totality. Um, you’ll have to decide what you‐how you want to handle your own personal affairs, related to who knows what. Um, but what you thought was secretive and quiet, is no longer secretive and quiet.

Davis: Right.

Patton: And if it made it to me, right.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: So, okay. I don’t have any more questions.

Davis: I don’t. Do you have any questions for us Meagan?

Hall: What about the psych eval, have you heard anything on that?

Patton: I haven’t made the call.

Hall: Okay.

Patton: I’m not going to make that call until we’re done.

Hall: Yeah, I understand.

Patton: Yeah.

Davis: How are you feeling right now? No, seriously.

Hall: I mean, given the circumstances‐

Davis: Pretty shitty?

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Okay. Do you need help with anything?

Hall: No, I have my therapist to go to.

Davis: You sure?

Hall: Yeah, I just‐

Patton: Are you going to make that phone call today?

Hall: I met with him yesterday.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Do you need to make it‐

Patton: Did you talk about the fact that you were coming in here? Okay.

Davis: Do you need to hang out in here for a while, before you leave? Do you want to sit with Amber, anybody?

Hall: No.

Davis: Sure?

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: We‐we’re still here for you, don’t think that we are the enemy right now. We’re not the enemy, we’re still here for you, you’re still an employee here. You know, I’m a‐I’m a fan, you know. I‐I really care about you so, I really want to know if you’re okay. If you’re not, talk to us, we’re here. If you need to hang out, you know, whatever we need to do.

Hall: Is Lewis going to be okay?

Patton: I can’t talk about that.

Davis: Yeah. I won’t‐remember I told you earlier just‐just deal with you. Don’t worry about him, we’ll deal with him.

Patton: But I can‐I can tell there’s still feelings there. You know, that’s still at the surface.

Davis: Yeah.

Hall: Yeah, I don’t‐I don’t know why. I guess just because it lasted for a while.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm. Um, are you being honest with your therapist?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Okay, good. That’s really important. As somebody who has gone to counseling for a long time, if you’re not honest with your therapist, you’re just throwing money out the window. So you got to, you got to be honest there.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Yeah, don’t do that.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: You sure?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Are you going to leave here and hurt yourself?

Hall: No, no.

Patton: Okay. I ask because I care.

Hall: I know.

Patton: Okay. I would hate that to happen.

Davis: If you feel some type of way, will you call me?

Hall: Yes.

Davis: Promise?

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Okay. It’s okay, it’s okay.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: You‐you‐you, I know how you’re feeling right now, I know how you’re feeling right now. You feel like you just set everybody out and you feel guilty as hell about it.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: But you told the truth, and that’s what set you free.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: The truth.

Patton: Mm‐hmm. This will start you on a path of healing.

Davis: If you feel like you know, if you said everything, you should feel a big burden lifted off your shoulders. I don’t have to deal with that anymore.

Hall: I do want to know‐

Davis: Now you can have even better therapy sessions. You know, maybe you can sleep better, you may be able to even focus on your marriage, whichever way, you know. Sometimes you‐you know, it works, sometimes it don’t work. I mean, I’ve been through rough patches with my wife in the early stages of our marriage. We’re thirteen years in now, so, we’re kind of past all of that now but I wasn’t perfect. I wasn’t perfect at all and third shift LaVergne was my vice. But I had to make a decision, my family or‐or the world, I guess you could say that, and I chose my family.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: You know, we all make mistakes. But it’s what you do after you make a mistake and I believe the road that you was going down, you was compounding the mistakes by not being truthful.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, mm‐hmm.

Davis: But this, this made it all‐this is what you do when you make a mistake, you fix it. And you’ve done that and I’ll take that into consideration if I get an opportunity to have an opinion on what should happen and then um, I’m just worried about you right now. I’m just worried about you.

Hall: I’ll get past it.

Davis: But how? I’m serious. If you need to call me, call me. I’ll be here. Well it’s not a late day for me, but I have dialysis so that’s something that I deal with on my own, you know. But I can talk while I’m there, okay.

Hall: How long is this like process typically?

Davis: We wish it was over.

Patton: I wish it was over. Um, I don’t suspect you’re going to hear back from me until the first of the year.

Hall: That’s fair, the holidays and everything, yeah.

Davis: So, with that being said, enjoy the holidays, don’t worry about this. I’m serious, I’m serious. Enjoy the holidays. Enjoy the holidays. Hey, you got the holidays off.

Hall: Yeah, that’s true.

Davis: Yeah. Christmas and maybe New Years, you have it off. So, enjoy!

Patton: Talk to people that don’t work here, talk to family.

Davis: With pay.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: Enjoy, talk to family.

Patton: Figure out what’s next for you with your personal affairs and your marriage.

Davis: Don’t give into the names.

Patton: Mm‐hmm. Anybody that pressures you or says or retaliates, you need to call me immediately. I don’t care what time of day, I don’t care if you get my voice message.

Davis: If you can’t get him‐

Patton: Anybody, okay.

Davis: 542‐3809.

Patton: I don’t care who it is, anybody that says “I can’t believe it, I cannot believe it, I’m going to bury you.” Nope. We’re past that.

Hall: So, it wasn’t even a City worker?

Patton: I think he said it wasn’t in the Police Department.

Davis: Did you and Larry ever hook up in the Police Department?

Hall: No.

Patton: Lewis was the only one.

Davis: Only one, okay. That’s good, that’s fine, we can deal with that. But at this time, I’m just concerned about you.

Patton: You’ve got my number, okay. Um, while this is mixed up and messy, I echo the same thing as Chief, I care about you as a person.

Davis: Yes.

Patton: Hope I’ve shown you that. Um, you don’t have to like me, you don’t have to like my job, it’s‐it’s okay. I don’t, it’s okay if you’re mad at me, all those things.

Hall: Someone’s got to do it.

Patton: Someone’s got to do it and this is one of those that I’ve gone home many a night and I’ve been like‐

Davis: Yeah.

Hall: I mean, I‐I understand why this is a part of your job I can‐

Davis: We’ve both taken away from our families to deal with this.

Patton: Mm‐hmm. Yep, okay.

Davis: But we’ll get through it.

Patton: Thanks for coming back in.

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

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OFFICER PATRICK MAGLIOCCO PART 2 OF 2

Interview of Officer Patrick Magliocco (372) – Part 2

Patton: It’s all yours.

Davis: Okay. So, Patrick uh we conducted some other interviews and as a result of those interviews we thought it would be good to get some more clarity coming from you.

Magliocco: Sure.

Davis: Uh, I will remind you the Garrity that you signed, that’s still‐that’s still valid at this time.

Magliocco: Okay.

Davis: And uh, just wanted to ask you some other questions and get some confirmation on some things that you um have mentioned before.

Magliocco: Yes, sir.

Davis: First things first, who did you talk to about this?

Magliocco: Uh so, talked to in general about this specifically, nobody. Um, I got asked probably about five or six times how Meagan’s doing and I just said all I know is that she’s safe. Um, I know she’s reached out a handful of times and I just keep very nicely saying “Hey, let’s just keep chit‐chatting to a minimum and‐“

Patton: This is since our last conversation?

Magliocco: Yes, yes, sir. Yeah. Like I mean, I can like‐

Patton: Four or five people have reached out?

Magliocco: Yeah, and like last night uh Turner reached out and said “Hey, what’s going on?” I said “She’s safe.” And I said “That’s all we know.” And he goes “I was just checking.” Um, Timson and Powell‐uh little Powell, they were asking and I just gave them the basics of everything that I knew up to the point of our conversation which was, it’s kind of the stuff she’s been saying, doing at work, as far as just you know, things to me that I thought were kind of weird. Um, up to the point of she came over Wednesday and that’s the last we heard from her and then the next thing we knew‐so, kind of everything I knew before the interview is what I kind of just shared with them. Um, things regarding the interview I didn’t say anything about.

Patton: Have you had any‐sorry.

Davis: No, no, no, you’re fine. You’re fine.

Patton: Have you had any, while on duty, have you had any car to car or any you know, back parking lot conversations about the investigation?

Magliocco: No, no, definitely not about the investigation.

Patton: And‐and any thoughts on your part on any contradicting information we might hear about that?

Magliocco: I don’t think so at all, I’ve tried very hard to keep it‐because I’m‐I mean, it’s a very big deal.

Davis: Yeah‐

Magliocco: And I’ve been pressed, I’m not going to lie, but I’ve been pressed very hard and I just‐

Patton: Who‐who’s pressing hard?

Magliocco: Uh, Joe Timson and uh Nick Powell. They were the hardest ones, they were like “I know you know something.”

Patton: On this or on her?

Magliocco: Just, well I’d say on this. They’re like “We know some stuff.” You know, and I said “I’m not sharing anything with you, the only thing I’m going to talk about is‐“ And then I told them about you know, what she was kind of doing before all of that.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Nothing to do with the investigation.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, to the point where I felt uncomfortable and I was like “Well, I’m going to go.” Um, because I don’t‐I don’t want to put myself in that situation. Which I probably could have left a little sooner but I didn’t share anything in regards to this specific investigation.

Davis: Okay. You said Meagan reached out to you, right?

Magliocco: Yes.

Davis: Um, what was she saying?

Magliocco: She’s just, I guess her kind of this is, well, she reached out like I said to you guys, Monday that Monday, we met last Tuesday, right?

Patton: We met on the 13th, whatever day that was.

Magliocco: Okay. Whatever the day was before that, she reached out just “Hey, I’m good.” And we’re all like “Cool. Glad to hear it.” Um, and then like yesterday when I was at the Shop with a Cop, just bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, text messages and it was just oh‐she goes “I’m just sorry, you know. I‐you know, I’m all alone right now.” She goes “Because I got nobody at home.” She goes “I don’t want to kind of regress to where I was. You know, I‐I miss all my friends.” That type of thing, and I was like you know, “Sorry about that but let’s just keep it to a minimum until.”

Davis: I think it would be safe to say this, and Andrew stop me if I’m wrong here, um, if you’re her friend, be her friend.

Magliocco: Okay.

Davis: We’re not telling you not to be her friend.

Magliocco: Okay.

Davis: But as a friend and then a part of this, I still wouldn’t discuss that. But we do know that she’s not in a stable state per se.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: And so, if saying, you know just, having a normal conversation with her‐

Magliocco: A normal conversation. Okay.

Davis: ‐will keep her from falling back to that place, do that, okay.

Magliocco: And that’s kind of why I was like, I was kind of torn because I mean I don’t want to violate anything you know that we’re talking about in here but I also don’t want her to get any worse because she’s just you know, just sitting at home.

Davis: Yeah, and there’s a way to do that you know, if she tries to go into that “Hey, you know, let’s not worry about that, just worry about you right now.”

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Make sure that you’re okay, you know, make sure that everything’s going well with you. You know, that type of thing like that, that gets it off of the situation and back on her and making sure that she’s fine. So, uh‐

Patton: Are you open to, you don’t have to, but are you open to letting me read those text messages?

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: And while he’s doing that, are you talking to anybody else?

Magliocco: Um the only other person would be, sorry, I can’t multitask, give me one second.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Well, I’ll talk to you first.

Davis: No, no, no, go ahead and do that. Yeah.

Magliocco: Give me one second, because I guess I was just deleting them as I went because I didn’t know what‐but I can pull them up, I think. Alright so, this is from December 9th.

Patton: Okay, thank you.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: December 9th would have been the day after she had her episode.

Magliocco: Which is where you can see I say “Hey, just checking in.”

Davis: And she didn’t respond to that?

Magliocco: No.

Patton: Not until Monday.

Davis: Okay, okay. So, while he’s looking at that.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: I want to just go back over some things that uh you talked about the first time. Uh, do you know if the group still gets together every Tuesday?

Magliocco: No, not anymore. Well, not since uh‐last‐last Tuesday Schoeberl and I hung out but we just went out to a movie with our ladies.

Davis: Okay. Would you say‐would you say the group that, I’m going to tell you the group that you gave us.

Magliocco: yes.

Davis: You said Hall would tag along sometimes. But Liedtke, Schoeberl, Lugo, and yourself is pretty much the group that‐that hangs out. Um, would you say this group on the shift is the closest to Meagan versus anybody else?

Magliocco: Probably.

Davis: Okay. Um, and when she tags along with you all, how is her behavior?

Magliocco: It’s fine, just bubbly, chipper. Um, it kind of depends on like what‐what’s being done. Like if we’re out and about or if we’re at somebody’s house type of thing. She’s never been‐well, I’m trying to think of the last time she actually came out. Um, because her [inaudible] mentioned before and kind of one of her issues she always brought up to us was like “Oh, well I can never come out to like Murfreesboro.” She was always trying to get everybody to come over to her house, which we’re like “We’re not going to Manchester.”

Davis: Right, it’s a ways away.

Magliocco: Um, type thing. So, that was kind of one of her issues there.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Um so, outside of like just like going to events and stuff it’s never been like, she’s just normal, herself, I guess.

Davis: Okay. Alright, thank you. So, I want to change gears now and go towards pictures and text messages.

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: You two‐did you and Meagan trade pictures? Nudes?

Magliocco: No, she sent some to me.

Davis: She sent some to you?

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Um, how did that come about?

Magliocco: The first time that I can remember is when we, remember I was talking about that hotel, when she was asking for money for the hotel?

Davis: Mm‐hmm.

Magliocco: And I said no, and she goes “Well I’ll make it worth your while.” Like three came in and I was like delete, delete, delete, I’m like “Please don’t do that.” Um, that was the first time and then the other time was just randomly on Snapchat she just sent a video and I was like “Hey, I’m not, you know, I don’t want to‐we’re past that point.”

Davis: Was this um before you all were intimate or after?

Magliocco: After.

Davis: Okay. So, when you said we’re past that point that kind of stuff wasn’t big to you, right?

Magliocco: No.

Davis: Okay. Um, had any of the other guys on the shift shared with you that she sent them nudes or they traded pictures or anything like that?

Magliocco: Other than Lugo, no.

Davis: Other than Lugo. Not Liedtke? Not Liedtke or Schoeberl, people that‐

Magliocco: No. I don’t know if they did or not. If they did, they didn’t say anything.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, because Lugo came to me and he was like “I’m kind of concerned about this.” You know. So, that’s the only reason I know but if the other ones got it they either didn’t say anything or it didn’t happen.

Davis: Would you have any reason to believe that maybe her and Liedtke were an item?

Magliocco: No, I don’t think so.

Davis: Any kind of activity or anything like that? What about her and Schoeberl?

Magliocco: No.

Davis: Her and Lugo?

Magliocco: No, I know she‐and that was one other thing, one other thing, are you good with this?

Patton: Yes, thank you.

Magliocco: Um, kind of one of the things that he said when she sent the pictures was kind of like “Hey, anytime you want a booty call, just let me know.” And he was like “No.” Um‐

Patton: He being Lugo?

Magliocco: Yeah. So, other than that that’s all I kind of gathered. I didn’t hear anything from anybody else.

Davis: Do you recall if he asked for it or she just randomly‐

Magliocco: She just randomly sent it.

Davis: ‐she’s just‐just offering up services.

Magliocco: Offering up.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Because when he came to me it wasn’t like “Hey, buddy.” You know, kind of one of those it was like “Dude, like I don’t know what the fuck’s going on here.”

Davis: Yeah. Right, right, right. Okay. Alright. I’m going to move now back to the boat.

Magliocco: Okay.

Davis: You good, you got anything?

Patton: I‐I sorry, I just want to revisit real quick on the‐on the photos. You asked, I also have a hard time sometimes multitasking when‐

Magliocco: Yeah, I’m terrible at it.

Patton: You asked about um who all has received photos and you asked about Schoeberl‐

Davis: Schoeberl.

Patton: And what was your answer?

Magliocco: No.

Patton: And Liedtke?

Magliocco: And I said no.

Patton: Okay, anybody else?

Magliocco: Not that I know of.

Patton: Do you have any information that would lead us to believe that anybody‐any of you, including you, have forwarded those photos to anybody else at LPD?

Magliocco: I definitely have not done that.

Patton: Okay. Um, is there anybody that we have not mentioned that is not on second shift, that you know has gotten pictures? Because I know we’ve been very focused on the names that we have.

Magliocco: Right, our shift.

Patton: But if you think about the entire population of LPD, who else would have gotten photos?

Magliocco: Can you just give me a second? Because I’m trying to just think back to scenarios and stuff. To give an honest answer, I really don’t know. Um, I don’t know how her relationship is really with people outside of our shift. Um, I mean I know she would you know, casually talk to some other people but I don’t know particulars because I only really deal with my shift.

Patton: Okay. Um‐

Magliocco: I mean, if‐

Patton: This may be a very‐

Magliocco: ‐it wouldn’t surprise me, I guess is what I’m trying to say if there was other people, just because it was like, because when I got‐when she asked for the hotel room and sent me those pictures and probably maybe a week after that is when the Snapchat one came across. That was around the time Lugo said “Hey, man” and so, I’m like “She’s probably sending it to more people than just us.” If that’s the case, because as far as I know there’s nothing‐nothing between her and Lugo. I was like oh, at least we have that little bit of past history so, I kind of get where she came from there, until I shot it down again. I was like, this part, you know what I mean? So, to me for him it seemed kind of out of the blue. Um, so, I‐it wouldn’t surprise me if there was anybody else, I’m just not aware of who.

Patton: Okay, and I know you’re about to go back to the boat and we’ll move on, but I

Davis: No, no, no. You do what you need to do.

Patton: I just‐I‐I this is may be a bit of a bold statement.

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: But it’s been one where we’ve both been scratching our heads over.

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: First. You are our first conversation.

Magliocco: Okay.

Patton: Okay? We’ve now had‐I spent the majority of my forty hours last week deal with this and this week. Um, and majority of people are lying and I can’t figure out why as a Police Officer everybody is sitting across from us lying. And the reason I say that, and I’m not necessarily assigning that to you, although that’s why we’re here a second time.

Magliocco: Right.

Patton: Um, like there’s‐there’s quite a bit to lose.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: As I understand it.

Magliocco: There’s a‐there’s a shit ton to lose.

Patton: For lying.

Magliocco: Yeah, and that’s why I mean, I kind of, from conversations I’ve kind of heard um, and I don’t know if you got to those, I’m trying to think, yeah, those would have been after the text messages where Meagan was like “Well, you’re the one that kind of started this whole thing.”

Patton: Yeah, I read all that.

Magliocco: I’m like, “How the fuck am I?” I didn’t even know I was the first person to interview and I didn’t‐I didn’t say anything and I think people, and you kind of where she was like “Well, nothing happened.” Type thing, I‐I’m going to be honest, I don’t want to lose my fucking job over some dumb shit. Like, yeah. I fucked up and I said to you guys “Hey, I fucked up.”

Patton: Yeah.

Magliocco: I’ll be the first to tell you and I’m just telling you everything as it came to me type thing and I when I talked to my wife I said I’m just worried that somebody who is like “Oh, well I don’t want to get jammed over something I did on shift” it turning back into “Well, I don’t know what the fuck is going on, that never happened, that never happened.” And then it makes me look like I’m the one who’s lying.

Patton: Yeah. Well, I think what is‐what is really challenging here is that like I said, and I don’t know if I said this to you at the very first interview, I’ve said it to other people, part of‐part of my job here right is that you get this initial complaint that comes in.

Magliocco: Right.

Patton: Then you have all these conversations, and all these conversations generate puzzle pieces, right.

Magliocco: Right.

Patton: And then I take those puzzle pieces at the end everyday and I’m going, okay, this one fits, this one I don’t know about, we’ll leave that off. Um, sometimes in interviews people intentionally try to throw you off.

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: That’s happened in this case.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Um, I call that lying, right. When someone tries to drop a name in the mix and you’re like “Interesting. That name’s never been mentioned, why is it being mentioned?” Right. And then you just get up to I have enough confirmation at this point, I know what happened. What I’m trying to figure out is why are people lying about it.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Um, because lying will cost you not just, as far as I understand, you can correct me if I’m wrong, Chief, but it’s not just going to cost you your job.

Davis: It’ll cost your career.

Magliocco: Yeah. POST and everything.

Patton: You can be decommissioned.

Davis: Yeah, you’ll be decommissioned.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: So, when we set up this meeting with you.

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Your admission of sexual improprieties with an Officer were being denied.

Magliocco: Denied?

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Magliocco: Well, I’m here to tell you that it happened.

Patton: Yeah.

Davis: Yeah, you’re telling us that.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Except up until yesterday, I didn’t have any confirmation of that and so, we kept thinking “Why would he say that‐“

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: “‐if it’s being denied.” Now, got a phone call yesterday that confirms it, okay.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Okay. Um, I don’t know why I got a phone call yesterday, I’m still trying to figure that part out.

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Um, but I’ve got a number of questions around information you gave us on the 13th.

Magliocco: Okay.

Patton: Um, that I

Davis: Go ahead, go ahead, mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. So, you‐you told us on the 13th that um we talked about the outside of work stuff every Tuesday. Um, I asked you the question, what Officers are in intimate relationships with any‐with each other um and you said that you were aware of some Officers on shift with another coworker, right. And I asked you specifically who, the first name you gave me was Sergeant Powell.

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. I want to know more information about that relationship.

Magliocco: Alright. The‐trying to think. So, the first time I believe I just said that she kind of made a statement and then said that some stuff had happened at work.

Patton: I think we walked away specifically saying that she had‐from you‐

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: ‐that she had given him a blowjob while on duty, at the substation.

Magliocco: Yeah. Um, again, I’m hairy on if it was at the substation or not, I just‐

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: ‐in my head that was said, but I don’t know specifically.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, as far as that goes, um the only other thing that kind of stayed along those lines, was when she started she had been kind of seeing Sergeant Powell, is her terminology.

Patton: She said that to you?

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Face‐to‐face?

Magliocco: Yes. It was either face‐to‐face or over text message, but I think it was face‐to‐face.

Patton: Would it be on that text string that you showed me?

Magliocco: I don’t think so. Because I had since that had deleted messages too. Um, trying to think um and I then from there I can just kind of roll through and then go ahead and ask your questions.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Magliocco: Um, I remember that she came into work one day upset, I can’t remember, maybe a couple of months ago and I was like “What’s going on?” and she goes “Oh, nothing, you know, I feel really bad because I’m having to kind of hide things with him because he doesn’t want to mess up his career and you know, he said he made a mistake and you know, he’s got a family and all that stuff.” And then a couple‐

Davis: Who is him? For the record.

Magliocco: Powell.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, and then she kind of backed up and said you know it’s just‐it’s just a weird spot to be in and I was like “Yeah.”

Patton: What was the timeframe on this conversation as best as you can understand it?

Magliocco: It’s hard to say, I’m trying to think of like where I was sitting.

Davis: Like before Thanksgiving?

Magliocco: It was definitely before Thanksgiving, it was way before Thanksgiving, it would have been in

the summer at some point.

Patton: Post Memorial Day uh hot tub party?

Magliocco: Yes. Well, Memorial Day, that’s May, yeah. That’s um it was definitely post that.

Davis: So, July maybe? May‐so, Memorial Day is May‐

Magliocco: It’s at the end of May, yeah.

Davis: June?

Magliocco: I’d say somewhere in July, June.

Patton: Do you have any information or knowledge on a cover up that’s happening on that situation right now?

Magliocco: What do you mean by cover up?

Patton: Any intentional reason why you would be the only one with this information?

Magliocco: I don’t know, I mean I’m sure it’s being discussed on their end. Um, kind of lining up stuff, I don’t know. Um, I mean, you saw my kind of text message there where she was like “Well, I don’t understand why this is coming from you.” Type thing and my response is going to be because you told me everything, let me just, because again, I didn’t want to bring any of this up which is why I kind of poo pooed that. Um, I also know there, I’m trying to think, yeah, that’s kind of all I knew on that. I was going back to people talking or my first conversation. I know we’ve been kind of jumping back and forth a little bit but um the only other person that I know was going around is‐um Dutton. And he joined my Xbox party and was like “Where’s Sergeant Powell, where’s Meagan?” And I‐leave.

Patton: When was this?

Magliocco: A couple of days ago and I was like‐so, I know it’s circulating and from the conversation I had with um Joe Timson, he was just like “I’ve heard some things at a different end, I just want confirmation.” I said “You ain’t getting confirmation from me.” I said you‐I said “You can find out when you know, decisions are made and whatever happens happens you know. But I’m not talking about it.

Patton: Okay. Um‐

Magliocco: Sorry. So, we were at, that’s about all I know as far as‐

Patton: On Sergeant Powell.

Magliocco: Yeah, that’s all I know about that.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Other than‐other than what her‐other than her conversation with your wife?

Magliocco: Yes. No, this was‐it was directly stated towards me at that point with the um, like I said she just came into work and you know, was kind of mopey and stuff like that. And I was like “Why did you just tell me this?” Type thing, it was something I did not need to know.

Patton: And you told us last time as well that it was Spring of this year that you guys decided that you and your wife would have an open marriage and start investigating other opportunities.

Magliocco: Yeah, that’s‐I’m trying to think of what you mean by, I‐I’m just trying to think of where we’re at even in the year right now.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Uh, Spring I would say early well, like June.

Patton: Okay, so summer?

Magliocco: Yeah, early summer.

Patton: Okay. And you shared with us that Hall asked you if y’all were interested in a threesome.

Magliocco: Yeah, that happened multiple times up until even Tuesday. Which is well after the fact when we were‐

Patton: Yeah, I saw in your texts that on 12/6 she asks “Can me and Amy make out?”

Magliocco: Yeah. So, I was like, I was sitting next to my wife and she was like “I don’t want to deal with this.” And I was like “I don’t want to deal with this either.” And I think I said something there along the lines of she’s just tired, something like that, I don’t know.

Patton: Yeah.

Magliocco: And um, she called Amy at that point and was like “I just feel really shitty about myself, it would make me feel better about myself.” And we’re like “You can come over, you can decorate but no bullshit’s happening.”

Patton: Right, right. And again, just for us to reiterate. What you guys do on your off time, that’s not what I’m concerned about.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: I’m asking you questions about your off time because I’m trying to uh deconstruct the lies that we’ve been told, okay.

Magliocco: Gotcha.

Patton: Um‐

Magliocco: And well‐go ahead, keep asking, I’ll.

Patton: So, there was a conversation that you told us about um my recollection was that you were at your house, could have been at Meagan’s house, where it was you, Meagan and your wife and from what I recall from that conversation you told us that uh Meagan and your wife started to make out.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: And Meagan’s husband either came home or came into the room.

Magliocco: Yeah. So, that was before he came home and then I don’t know what the kind of angle was to be honest at that point, I was the only sober one. Um, he then came home and they went to go continue that I that’s kind of when he was like “What the fuck is this?” And I was like “What do you mean what the fuck is this, aren’t we all kind of on board here?” And that’s when I was like oh, lightbulb, I’ve been lied to about this.

Patton: Okay. So, I have a report that what you said happened. However, I’m told that he and your wife went to a bedroom‐

Magliocco: That would be news to me.

Patton: ‐in order to have sex. You and Hall knew this was the opportunity for the swap to happen and you and Hall had sex and then somebody came back out and saw you guys and that’s when the argument took place between the husband and her.

Magliocco: I wasn’t even aware. So, I can say that’s a bold‐faced lie.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, so, just to run you through the night. Wife and I came over‐

Davis: So, it was at Meagan’s house?

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, they were both drinking, they were like “Oh, let’s practice before he gets home.” Type thing, so, they were making out a little bit.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, my wife got drunk to the point where she was‐because for her I mean, I’m not trying to say too much but for her to get into that kind of mood she’s gotta be pretty liquored up. Um, we were trying to play games at the table. So, at this point he had already been home um and she was like kept slumping over, kind of slumping over, and I’m like “Why don’t we move you to the couch?” Um, once she moved to the couch was when her and Meagan started kissing again and Jed was kind of like you know, “What’s this about?” That’s when we kind of like broke down and had that discussion of like “Oh, so, this isn’t what’s been kind of a thing.” Because that’s‐up until that point I had sex with Meagan before that. Because she you know, I was like “Hey, we’re kind of an open thing.” And she was like “Oh, so are we.” Type thing you know, and I was like okay, and then we did it and that was kind of like leading up to where everybody was going to kind of‐and‐god, I feel so fucking weird saying all of this stuff. Um, so, that night, after that my wife was like passed out drunk on the couch, I mean, my eyes never got off of her from the time we walked in the door to the time we left.

Davis: And you said your eyes never left her?

Magliocco: Yeah. No, she never like, I mean besides like literally the bathroom and back. Like I mean, I doubt something happened in the thirty seconds she went to use the bathroom and come back and I never had sex with Meagan that night, I never touched her that night, I never did anything.

Patton: Do you remember Jed confronting Hall about cheating?

Magliocco: No. That may have happened after. Well, no, she did say that. No, she said that he goes “Oh, you were cheating on me with her.” And she’s like “Oh, it doesn’t count. It’s a girl.” That’s the only thing I knew about that.

Patton: So, I’m going to ask you to step into a bit of a speculative space.

Magliocco: Okay.

Patton: Okay. Why‐what’s the agenda that‐that’s happening behind the scenes on why these stories that are being reported to us are like 25% accurate and 75% [inaudible]

Magliocco: Um‐

Patton: What’s happening there that we need to know about?

Magliocco: I think‐I think people are more scared that their actions are going to lose their jobs rather than just telling the truth. I think that’s where it’s kind of coming in. Um, I feel confident in myself because I know that I kind of set up boundaries before where I’m like, you know, is it comfortable to tell my Chief and my head of HR

Patton: I know.

Magliocco: ‐yeah, my wife and I freaking did‐

Patton: I know.

Davis: At least you’re [inaudible].

Magliocco: But‐

Patton: There’s nothing more uncomfortable than these conversations, trust me.

Magliocco: And trust me, I’m trying to not look like I’m‐you know‐

Davis: Look here. No judgement here.

Magliocco: Okay.

Davis: We’re just trying to get to the bottom of this. What y’all do on the outside is you know, you come here, you’re PMag, you work‐

Magliocco: Okay. That makes me feel a lot more comfortable right now.

Davis: Yeah, no.

Magliocco: Um but‐

Patton: My question‐my question’s are all about trying to figure out why people are lying and it’s not about judging what happens on the outside.

Davis: Yeah, we’re just trying to get to the end game.

Magliocco: And that’s what I’m saying, I’m here to tell the truth. Like I said, I think, if I wanted to lie to you guys I would say nothing happened and just hope for the best. I mean, other people denied that it happened. So, clearly they are trying to cover something up.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Magliocco: Um and I think that, like I said, that the consequences are going to come from their actions and not their testimonies where I’m you know, I’ll call a spade a spade. Like I mean, I fucked up, I did this, whatever. Like I’m here to own up, hopefully move on and make better decisions.

Patton: Yeah. Um, I need you to think outside of second shift.

Magliocco: Okay.

Patton: Okay? Because a lot of this information is not coming from somebody on your shift.

Magliocco: And to be fair, I don’t mean to interrupt you, um outside Lugo, Schoeberl, Liedtke’s um, they don’t have any knowledge of any of this. And Lugo doesn’t have any knowledge outside of that he got pictures and everything like that. I’ve kept everything I’ve done outside of you two, my wife and whatever you know, Meagan‐

Patton: Who‐who else does she talk to outside of second shift? Because we’re getting information and we’re having conversations but I want‐I’m interested to see if you can deliver a name to me. And if not, that’s okay.

Magliocco: No, I’m just trying to think. Um, I’m sure she’s had conversations with Nick Dwyer, um just, I don’t know if it’s texting or anything like that. I‐I really don’t know, that’s a name that comes to mind. He’s just one of the guys that’s always you know, talking with people on different shifts. I know he’s always hanging out and talking with people on third, second, first. Um, third shift, I’m trying to think my way through third shift. I know she used‐

Patton: Any‐anybody higher up?

Magliocco: Nothing higher than I’ve already said with Sergeant Powell. I’m thinking CSU, I mean, no, that’s all I really know. I mean, we’re‐

Patton: Okay. I’m good with that. Go ahead, Chief.

Davis: Um, Sergeant Powell, going back to Sergeant Powell and the conversation that you and Meagan had in regard to‐how sure are you about that‐that she told you that they had intercourse or seeing each other or whatever?

Magliocco: Uh, pretty freaking confident.

Patton: Will you put your job on the line?

Magliocco: Yeah. Well, yes. I mean, yeah. Um and the reason I say that is because it wasn’t just me independently, she also said something to my wife. And my wife came to me, she’s like “Are you aware this is going on?” And I said‐I‐yeah, I’m pretty sure.

Davis: Okay. So, she told your wife that she was involved with Sergeant Powell.

Magliocco: It was‐it was the same night as making out that she told my wife that and after the fact she goes “Did you catch what Meagan said?” and I said no, “She said she’s involved with one of your coworkers.” You know, Sergeant Powell, actually she said Lewis. You know, she didn’t know Sergeant Powell and I was like‐and yeah, she’s said some stuff before but um I mean, again, I’m not here to try to get anybody in trouble. I’m just here to tell what I know.

Davis: At‐at this point here it’s about you and your career.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: You can’t worry about anybody else’s. So, was that the same night that she described his manhood?

Magliocco: Yeah. I was right there for that and I know‐

Davis: Did you hear Meagan say that or just your wife?

Magliocco: No, I heard Meagan describe his manhood.

Davis: You heard Meagan‐

Magliocco: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: ‐describe it as well as your wife, or just you?

Magliocco: What do you mean? Like did we both hear her say that?

Davis: Y’all were all together?

Magliocco: Yeah. So, it was to like‐that part we both heard because we were kind of like honestly sitting like we’re sitting. Um, and then I don’t know I may have went off to go do something like use the bathroom or something else and later that night is when my wife came‐like I said, because we were all together the whole night, came to me and that’s when she was like you know, “Uh, did you hear that one part?” I was like “Well, no.” And she was like um‐

Davis: How positive are you that it was Sergeant Powell that she was describing?

Magliocco: She from my memory said his name and it wasn’t just that night that everything was discussed. Like I said, there was that day she came in kind of upset and then before that I know she had mentioned when she was intoxicated that she was kind of sort of seeing him.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, which I didn’t‐I’m‐I’m like I said, I know it’s hard to speak out again so, I know it kind of looks weird if I’m the only one confirming this but I know what I heard. Um, and I know the names that she said, or the name. So, it’s kind of where I’m at with that.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: You know, I’m not trying to get like‐I’m not trying to get anybody in trouble, I’m not trying to do anything else, I’m just trying to

Davis: So‐so, let me ask you this and this is kind of personal but‐but I have to ask just to make sure that we’re here. You’re not upset or jealous or anything like that, that you found out that Meagan was involved with other people?

Magliocco: No. no, I didn’t care at all.

Davis: Okay. Um, and you’re not saying, you’re not telling us these things because of that?

Magliocco: Not at all.

Davis: Okay. Uh, okay.

Patton: Kind of like the old jealous boyfriend.

Magliocco: Yeah, I could care less. Um, I mean it was kind of my thing, kind of my whole open thing. That was it, it’s not like I have any personal attachments, it was just supposed to be for fun and when I started to see the trend that it was getting into the messy territory, that’s when I was like, especially after that night where everybody was trying to make, I was like, it ain’t worth my job to get involved in this.

Patton: So, she comes over to your house on the 6th to do the Christmas tree.

Magliocco: Yeah, Tuesday the 6th.

Patton: Okay, and you shared with us that she had cut herself that previous day?

Magliocco: I’m not sure when it was.

Patton: Or that day?

Magliocco: She just had made a statement, it could have been the 5th or the 6th.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Um‐

Patton: She was at somebody else’s house on the 5th, did she discuss that with you?

Magliocco: Nope. Um, not at all. Because we were‐the only thing we discussed on the 5th was the plans for Tuesday when we were all going to go out and see a movie and get dinner and then everybody ended up being sick. So, no.

Patton: She hasn’t discussed anything about where she was on the 5th? Okay.

Davis: We good with the house?

Patton: Yes, we can move on to‐

Davis: I’m going to move you to the house boat now.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Um, did she have any discussion with you on the house boat about being with anybody?

Magliocco: I got to say, it’s hard, I drank a lot that day too, um, I don’t know if when I first kind of heard about the Sergeant Powell thing, I don’t think it was that day, it may have been after. It’s honestly really hard for me to kind of remember. Um, I think the only thing we really talked about was that her and her husband had had threesomes, that they are in an open thing too. I think that was kind of at that. Um‐

Davis: She‐she said that again or?

Magliocco: No, that was‐that was kind of when everything started was the‐after the house boat um‐

Davis: Okay. We’ll have to back up [inaudible]. Okay, I’m with you now.

Magliocco: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and that’s kind of where that whole conversation started and

then I’d say from probably the end of May until August, maybe is when a couple of those things were

shared where I think she felt comfortable enough where like she just said that and I was like “I really

don’t want to know any more because I don’t want to end up here.”

Davis: Let me ask you this, on the house boat did you observe her and maybe Lieutenant Durham in a

room or anything like that?

Magliocco: So, no. Um, the only thing‐no. The only thing I think she said with him was that at some point

he came in to grab a vape pen from her. He said “Hey, can I have that vape pen?” And she was like

“Yeah, sure.” Like after‐

Davis: Came where?

Magliocco: To where she was like her bedroom. The one she was at and he was like “Hey, can I have that

vape pen?” and she was like “Sure.” And then that was all I heard about that, that would have been the

only time the whole time we were all together.

Patton: Did um‐what‐what day did you arrive? Saturday?

Magliocco: I can’t remember. Well no, it would have been a Monday because Memorial Day is on a Monday.

Davis: On Memorial Day?

Magliocco: Yeah, I got there‐I got there pretty late.

Patton: But you spent the night.

Magliocco: Yes.

Patton: So, you spend the night Monday into Tuesday or Sunday into Monday?

Magliocco: I‐I

Patton: So, Memorial Day would have been on a Monday.

Davis: What days do you work?

Magliocco: Uh, it would have been a Monday into Tuesday because I have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday off. I was trying to think.

Patton: Okay. And what day did your wife arrive?

Magliocco: Monday. She came that night.

Patton: And she left?

Magliocco: Uh, yeah, she left probably around 9:30.

Patton: Where did you sleep?

Magliocco: On the couch.

Patton: Did you ever go into Meagan’s room?

Magliocco: Nope. Nope.

Patton: Um, did you ever go into the restroom with Meagan?

Magliocco: Yes.

Patton: You did?

Magliocco: Yep.

Patton: What did you guys do in the restroom?

Magliocco: We honestly just made out, she tried doing more and I was like‐that’s kind of before the whole thing with her being open kind of came out. So, I wasn’t too comfortable, she wanted to do more and I was like no.

Patton: Why didn’t you tell us about that in the first interview?

Magliocco: We didn’t really talk about the house boat too too much and I wasn’t really sure the whole time frame of everything.

Patton: Okay. Who saw you go into the restroom?

Magliocco: That I don’t know.

Patton: Because obviously, we knew about it.

Davis: And your wife wasn’t there during this time period?

Magliocco: No, she came a little bit later.

Davis: Okay. And you don’t know if anybody observed you all going into the restroom?

Magliocco: I have no idea.

Patton: Does the restroom have more than one entrance and exit?

Magliocco: No. There’s multiple restrooms, but no that one just is a little pocket door.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Anything else about the boat that you remembered after you talked to us the first time that you want to share with us?

Magliocco: No, the um so, like I said, the time frame of that was, I mean, I can walk you through the whole day. Um, I get there early afternoon, she’s already [inaudible], I start drinking um, she kind‐kind of go into the restroom and make out and I was like that’s kind of weird, but whatever.

Patton: And that was the very first time, or no? You had been with her before that?

Magliocco: No.

Patton: That was the very first time.

Magliocco: Yeah. So, from there‐

Patton: That was just out of the blue?

Magliocco: Yeah, literally out of the blue.

Davis: She solicited or you solicited?

Magliocco: She solicited, she goes, when we were walking and she kind of did one of the [inaudible] and then she goes like “Do you want to fuck me?” And I was like “Uh‐“ like I don’t know the answer to that, it was kind of like‐

Davis: We’re‐we’re all human, so.

Magliocco: Yeah. So, um from there her and I walked up to the top of the hill, that’s the only place you can get phone reception, and that’s when I called my wife and was like “Hey, you know, where you at? You coming? Type thing and she was like “Yeah, I’m on my way.” And then her and I kind of had a chat and I was like “Hey, this was like‐it kind of just happened.” And she’s like “Oh, is that like” And that’s like I said, it’s kind of when the whole open thing started.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, we then after that up towards the parking lot later that night she went to give me a blowjob and it happened maybe all of fives seconds and I was like “No, I’m still not really cool with this.” Um, which was later on that night. We went back down to the house boat, um, watched a couple movies everybody together, ate some food, that’s when we went upstairs to the hot tub and that’s where she was just kind of just fizzling out. I know we talked about her top kind of coming undone and that kind of thing. Um, from there she went to her bedroom, everyone went to their bedrooms, the only place left for me to sleep was on the couch and that’s where my ass stayed until his son woke me up at 7:30 in the morning and I’m like ugh.

Patton: At any point in your entire relationship with her, is there any reason why um any of those interactions would not have been mutual like‐

Magliocco: What do you mean by that?

Patton: Like coerced, forced.

Magliocco: If there was any coercion done it was her to me.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, if anything else there was um so, hang on, I don’t really count the house boat as us having like sex, because it never really went through with any of that part of it. Um, that is when everything kind of started. So, we’ve only had sex three times. The first full on time that we did it um, she texted me and said “Hey, I’m having a bad day. Can you come over?” And I was like “Sure.” So, I get over there and she was drinking and she said get you a drink type thing and I was like “Um, okay.” And we were sitting there watching a TV show and she was kind of telling me stuff that she had going on and then she just kind of started taking off clothes and was like “Do you want to do a body shot off of me?” And it led into that.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Um, and then just the other two times but um it never at any point was I like “Hey, we got to do this.” Honestly, if anything it was always kind of her always taking that initiative.

Patton: Okay. Um, does Meagan have a fetish, and if so, what is it?

Magliocco: I have no fucking clue.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: It never‐it never went past anything other than just vanilla, old, normal sex.

Patton: Based on what you know, would that be something that would be out of the realm of possibilities for her?

Magliocco: Um, I’d say she’s probably got one.

Patton: Okay. Um, has she ever sent you pictures of her feet?

Magliocco: No.

Patton: Does she ever talk about her feet?

Magliocco: Not that I know of, she never talked about it to me. Um, no.

Patton: She ever ask you to like be rough with her?

Magliocco: I mean, a little bit, but not outside what I wouldn’t call normal.

Patton: Okay, okay.

Davis: And through all of the encounters uh would she‐would she be able to say that you took advantage of her?

Magliocco: No.

Davis: All consensual?

Magliocco: Yeah, it was 100% consensual. I mean there was alcohol involved a couple of times but I mean, like I said it was most of the times were, I mean, I know the only time that I probably played more of a part of it than that was one of the times that she came over to the house and that was the last time we had sex. Um, and she was like “I’m tired.” And I’m like “Oh, you’re tired. Are you sure you don’t want to do it?” And she goes “Oh, fuck it.” Like, that was the extent of it.

Patton: Okay. Um, are you aware of male Officers sending dick pics?

Magliocco: I don’t know anything about that.

Patton: Have you ever been standing around other people when they show dick pics on their phone to each other?

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Okay.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Who has done that?

Magliocco: Just‐I don’t even know if it was theirs it’s just in you know, passing, it was um like Schoeberl, we’ll be hanging out outside of work and he’ll be like “Oh, look at this cool picture of this deer.” And then it would just be like a dick, I don’t even know if it was his or not, it was just kind of haha moment.

Patton: Was that mixed company, was she a part of that as well?

Magliocco: No. No, that was uh well, that last one like I said, it was just the other night. I mean, it’s nothing‐I don’t think she’s ever been around it.

Patton: Okay. Um, and you’re not aware of anybody sending her dick pics?

Magliocco: No. I may have, I’m going to be honest, I really do not remember if I have or have not. Um‐

Davis: So, you don’t remember if you’ve sent a picture of your dick to somebody?

Magliocco: Well‐

Davis: If you did, just say you did, I mean.

Magliocco: No, I’m‐

Davis: I would remember.

Magliocco: Yeah, it’s‐I don’t know, I send it to my wife all the time and I don’t know if in the midst because I know we’ve never traded pictures like “Oh, if you show me your boobs, I’ll send you a picture of my cock.” Type thing like, so, I know we’ve never done that.

Davis: So, there was never a [inaudible] for that type of situation.

Magliocco: No, no.

Davis: Okay.

Magliocco: So, I just don’t know if‐and I’m‐I’m being serious, I really do not remember. I’d say I probably did but I mean, I’ve been up front with everything else. I mean, I would tell you if I 100% remember that I did.

Patton: So, we went from no, to maybe, to probably.

Magliocco: I

Patton: You just don’t have any memory of it?

Magliocco: I literally do not and it’s not something that I would not share with you guys. I mean, I’ve been kind of open. I’m not really, like I said outside of occasionally my wife, that’s not my thing. Outside of you know when I was in freaking high school or whatever. You know that was kind of a thing, but.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Question.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Did you give her the $50?

Magliocco: No, no, no. I made that very clear and‐because I was already that was the night that we were all over at her house and everything kind of at that point, that’s like the starting point was the boat, that was the ending point, was that night of everything between us. And I kind of was like, I was honestly appalled. I’m like‐you’re‐because I already know now. You know, it’s not like oh, they’re in an open thing type of thing, the truth was out at that point. I knew what was going on wasn’t a two‐way street between her and her husband. Um, and I’m like “You’re really asking me for money so you can go cheat on your husband more?” I mean, I already feel like shit enough as it is because I thought he was in the loop on everything and it turns out he wasn’t. Um, so, I definitely did not send that money and uh, I was supposed to go to Florida the next day and I was like “I need all the cash I can get.”

Davis: Right, right, right.

Patton: I think the only other question I want to ask about is I want to talk about the dry firing of the weapon that you shared with us.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Patton: Um, and again, on the scale of “I made it up” to “I am 100% certain.”

Magliocco: 100% certain. Without a doubt, she shared that information with me. Um, and she, with the text messages she sent to me about how I knew you’re the one sharing the information, it had to have been probably where it came from, I don’t think she told anybody else. Um so, I think that was kind of her ding, ding, ding. I’ve been‐you’ve been sitting with me. Um, I have nothing to‐

Patton: You’ve been what with me? Did you just say‐you said ding, ding, ding, I didn’t hear what you said in the last sentence?

Magliocco: I’m trying to think of what I just said too. Uh, you know, ding, ding, ding, you know, you’ve been talking with me.

Patton: Oh.

Davis: Oh, okay. I gotcha.

Magliocco: Um, because I don’t know that she shared that with anybody else. I know she said you know, like I walked you guys through, she said that happened and was like “Okay, well that probably needs to be addressed.” And she was like “I’ve already talked to my therapist, I’m all good. Please don’t share it.” So, I’m sure when that got brought up that kind of was like that type of thing.

Davis: I don’t‐I don’t have anything else. I do want to‐

Magliocco: Is there anything else you guys want to just clarify up? I mean, like I said, anything you want to double check because I’m‐

Patton: No, I

Davis: I‐I think that did it for me as well too. I just want to‐I just want to talk as a Chief for a minute. To you, to a young Officer.

Magliocco: Yes, sir.

Davis: Um, this is one of the‐the one of the most quickest ways to lose your career is uh everybody on shift is having sex and things like that. Um, I think you have an opportunity, we’ll get through this, but I think you have an opportunity to uh get through this and‐and you know, not saying that you’re in any bad graces but, you know, you got some things you have to do to get back to the PMag that we saw getting all of the awards last August, you know what I’m saying?

Magliocco: Yeah. Earn‐earn my way back.

Davis: So, I would suggest, I’m not telling you not to have friends, but I will say have acquaintances as far as coming to work. Uh, you probably want to go out and catch a movie or something like that, just catch a movie.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: You know, it sounds like to me Andrew, he probably‐it sounds like alcohol is the‐

Magliocco: Catalyst.

Davis: ‐the catalyst of all of this.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Uh, if you all can keep that out of it then I think you all will have a great time and be fine.

Magliocco: Yeah, and that’s um‐

Davis: And you may even have to remove some people.

Magliocco: Yeah. That’s already being worked on. Um, if I can just talk to you, to Chief.

Davis: Sure, sure.

Magliocco: Um, no, I really um and that’s kind of when I first you know decided I was going to do this shit with Meagan. I said, “None of this will happen at work.” Is the first thing I said. I said “I don’t care. We will remain professional at work.” I said, “What we do in our off time is our off time.” I said “I put way too much into this freaking job to lose it over some dumb shit.” Um and she was like “I agree, I agree.” Um, and I’ll do whatever takes to get back into the‐like you said the good graces. I really do work hard and I really do love working here. Um, so, hopefully‐hopefully I can ride out these bumps and I can‐ I’ve learned my freaking lesson for sure on this because I‐and the whole thing‐like my wife and I are like “Nope, we’re done.” It was one of those things that it was such a shell shock, we were like “Well that fucking flopped.” So, it’s‐we’re fucking done, I’m just, I just want to come to work and do what I can.

Davis: It‐it sounds like while you were going through it, it was cool at the time but then it wasn’t. It was still a little something to it.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: So, you still have a little bit in you that’s saying “Yeah, maybe not, maybe not, maybe not.” But then again, here it is right here.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: You know, that type of thing but uh I‐I think you’re heading towards the right direction.

Magliocco: Okay.

Davis: I can’t tell you what to do as far as the outside work, but I think you’re heading towards the right direction.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Because it always leads back to work.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: It always leads back to work.

Magliocco: I‐I found that out.

Davis: It always leads back to work. I‐I know about things that y’all don’t think I know about, but I do. Because it always leads back to work, you know. You never know who’s a jealous person.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: You know. So, yeah.

Magliocco: And yeah, like kind of getting back to that, I can honestly care less what she did outside of that.

Davis: I’ve been a young cop before.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: And I’m almost 23 years in it now. But I’ve been that one‐two year Officer too and uh, just to be honest the uniform gets you more attention than anything. So, keep that in mind.

Magliocco: Will do.

Davis: And we’re also going to still give you the opportunity if there’s more information that you need to discuss with one of us, you’re more than welcome to do that um even after this. You know, we really want to get to the end of this because this is not how we want to spend our day because we both got stuff covering us up.

Magliocco: Yeah‐yeah, not to‐not to mention you know, Christmas is right around the corner too.

Davis: But this is very important to us.

Magliocco: Yes.

Davis: I‐I can’t have for lack of better terms, a sex scandal at the job.

Magliocco: Right.

Patton: You know, what would that get to me?

Magliocco: I can only imagine what they would do.

Davis: Yeah, so, we gotta do better. We gotta do better, we gotta do better. And‐and you can help me with that because if you see it, because we’re getting people coming in after you. So, you’re becoming a veteran also now. You know, hey, don’t do that, you know, even with the guys, Schoeberl and all them.

Magliocco: Yeah, it ain’t fucking worth it.

Davis: We gotta do better. So, keep all that in mind.

Magliocco: Yeah, it’s starting to just kind of off this whole topic for a second, it’s like what you said, becoming more veteran, I’ve only been here a year and a half and I’m already‐like Sundays I’m the second most senior Officer on second shift. And so, it’s kind of put me more into a leadership role where I’m “Hey, what’s up? What do you need?” You know, I’m getting phone calls left and right, which I love, because I love teaching and helping and I’m like “I really gotta fucking step it up and be more responsible and just be a better mentor.”

Davis: Yeah, yeah. I can see you in leadership here. And remember you have to supervise people that was you at one point in time. So, remember that.

Magliocco: Yeah.

Davis: Remember that, okay?

Magliocco: Yeah. That means a lot, thank you.

Davis: Yeah.

Patton: Alright, thank you for coming back.

Magliocco: Yes.

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OFFICER DAVID DURHAM PART 2 OF 2

Interview of Lieutenant David Durham (153) – Part 2

Patton: So, we’re still working on this. Um, this conversation should be extremely quick. Um, I think each of us have one or two questions as a follow‐up from our last conversation. Um, one, do you vape?

Durham: I have, yes.

Patton: Okay.

Durham: Yes. Uh, let me say this much, I have one‐one or two times, like I don’t normally vape, let me say that much.

Patton: Okay. Um, when you were on the boat, did you go into Meagan’s room and ask her for her vape?

Durham: Um, I remember in the hot tub I dropped it in the thing. But I think I may have asked her when we were all going to bed if I‐if I could have a vape.

Patton: Okay. Did you walk into her room and ask her if you could take the vape?

Durham: I‐I honestly don’t remember as far as that. No, sir.

Patton: Don’t remember. Okay, okay.

Davis: Do you remember going into her room at all?

Durham: I feel like I asked her um, if I could have a vape. I feel like I did.

Davis: In her room. How long do you think that encounter took?

Durham: Oh, two seconds. Two to five seconds, tops.

Patton: Obviously, right, you know, we had the conversation the last time.

Durham: Right.

Patton: Then we learned some information that we didn’t talk about.

Durham: Okay.

Patton: So, we just wanted to get some clarity on why you would have gone into her room.

Durham: Yeah, yeah.

Patton: What the purpose of that was.

Durham: Yeah. I‐there was a peach ring, let me‐let me, I remember in the hot tub, she kept saying “hey, try this‐try this.” It was peach ring, it was really good and I was like “I want‐I want to just have one more little, I don’t know, smoke of it.” That was it and went to bed.

Patton: Okay.

Durham: Yeah.

Davis: Did you go back into her room at any point in time?

Durham: No, sir. I climbed into bed.

Davis: Okay.

Durham: Next to my wife and my youngest daughter.

Davis: Okay.

Durham: Um, she ended up in our bed because she had peed earlier in the night because she didn’t know where her mom and dad were. So, she ended up in our bed. So, no.

Patton: Okay, and that matches everything we have.

Durham: No. Headphones and everything else, going to sleep.

Patton: Okay.

Durham: Woke up in my own bed and everything else.

Patton: Okay.

Durham: Yeah.

Patton: I want to ask about the restroom, but I don’t‐are we done on the vape stuff?

Davis: Sure.

Patton: Okay. So, you know when Staats said to you um that you know, what you told us is‐

Durham: Yeah.

Patton: ‐that Staats said to you “Hey, I think they may have just gone into the bathroom together.”

Durham: Yes, sir.

Patton: Okay, and then if I remember correctly, you said he came back to you and said “Hey, they didn’t.”

Durham: Yep. So, um, I was up on the top, on the deck and Staats, Staats looked pissed and Staats says, “I think they’re in the bathroom together.” And I was like “Staats, oh my god, you do not need this on your damn boat, your shift, or anything else.” And that’s when I guess he went back downstairs and about five minutes later, maybe longer, five to fifteen minutes later, five to fifteen, that’s what I’m going to go with. Um, didn’t have my‐paid attention to my watch at that time but five to fifteen minutes later, he says, “Oh, never mind.” He said‐he said something like that it was “Oh, they weren’t in the bathroom together.” I think I told y’all that exact same story last time.

Patton: Yeah, you did.

Durham: That they weren’t in the bathroom together and then she had came up later and he‐I had seen him come up and then I saw her come up and then I actually asked her, I said, “Where have you been?” Like that to her and she said, “I was pooping” or using the restroom or something like that, I vaguely remember her saying pooping like that, so. Other than that, I‐I don’t.

Patton: Okay, and you didn’t have any visual on them going or exiting‐

Durham: No, I‐I

Patton: ‐you were on a different level.

Durham: ‐never saw the two of them‐

Patton: Okay.

Durham: ‐crossing into the bathroom or anything else.

Davis: Do you have any knowledge of them going to something‐a hill or something?

Patton: Leaving the boat.

Davis: I think something about this is the only place where cellphone service worked or something?

Durham: So, I remember she was leaving and everybody else was kind of packing up, my family is packing up, we’ve got a bunch of stuff because I’ve got kids and everything else on the boat. So, um she asked, she was like, “PMag, can you walk me to my car?” Now, going to that dock there is a huge hill that people have to park on and it kind of winds down into the marina down there. So, if that means anything, but she did ask him to walk her, I remember hearing her say that, “Hey, PMag, can you walk me to my car?” And I think‐I’m pretty sure he came back.

Davis: And that would have been on the Tuesday when y’all were leaving?

Durham: Monday.

Davis: You left on Monday? You left on Memorial Day?

Durham: Had to‐uh not to bring up other‐when did Bob have his um, event? If y’all remember that. Sergeant Hayes had‐he had‐what they thought was a heart attack. I’m pretty sure that was on Memorial Day. I didn’t stay any extra days on that bought. We‐we got there on Saturday, my family‐

Davis: Did you work the day after Memorial Day?

Durham: Yes, sir.

Davis: Okay. So, you [inaudible] Tuesday morning.

Durham: 100%. So, Saturday I came in, clarify everything to y’all. Um, it was Staats and his family.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Durham: It was Sunday that Meagan and him showed up and then‐

Patton: That’s what I thought.

Durham: ‐Monday‐

Patton: I think the dates.

Durham: So, somebody must be telling y’all dates

Patton: I think the dates are off.

Durham: I think somebody are telling the dates off.

Davis: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Yeah, yeah.

Durham: Because Sunday, and I’ve been trying to wrap my brain is, when did I know‐get told that those two were coming and I still like, I think I told y’all but I’m trying to wrap my brain, I feel like I was standing in the kitchen of his um, at the marina and I mean in his house boat. And he was like, “hey, they’re coming.” Or‐or “PMag and Meagan might show up.” And it was the next day that’s when they showed up. Because like I said, I wouldn’t have hung out with a shift thing, that a bunch of people showing up, I just don’t‐

Patton: So, bouncing back to the hill question.

Durham: Yeah, sorry.

Patton: It was not on departure day, but in this case this would have probably‐was departure day Monday for everybody?

Durham: I feel like that was, yeah, I want to say 100%, I’m like 98% sure.

Patton: Okay. The hill question would have been in reference to Sunday then. Do you remember them going off up to the hill [inaudible] on Sunday?

Durham: So, Sunday would have been boat ride. I went on a boat ride, I don’t‐I mean I couldn’t account for them 100% of the time.

Patton: Okay.

Durham: Because I was around my family‐

Davis: [inaudible]

Durham: Right, right. No, but I want to‐I want to be as like absolutely truthful with y’all. Yeah‐

Davis: We’re just trying to see if we can get some confirmation on some things that we were told earlier, that’s all.

Durham: Okay. I‐I don’t remember, the only thing about the hill that makes sense to me is leaving because it is a huge hill to go up and down to. In fact, I actually walked up some of the stuff and drove down and pick up my family when we left.

Patton: Okay, okay.

Davis: Is there anything else that you may have remembered from the first time we talked that you might want to talk about?

Durham: Not‐not that just stands out in my mind, I’ve been trying to just absolutely replay everything in my head to the point I’m like, “Well god, did I pull‐pull up her shirt?” And I’m like, “I don’t think I would, that’s just not me.” I’m like, “I know it was Staats” And it’s just‐I’m like paranoid. I don’t think I would do something inappropriate, sorry.

Patton: And we’re good on that now.

Durham: Okay.

Patton: We know it was Staats.

Davis: Everything is fine on that.

Patton: We know it was Staats.

Durham: Yeah, yeah.

Davis: And we do also know that that event at the house boat was not some wild party for the shift or anything like that‐

Durham: I just thought that was so crazy because she said girls gone wild and I

Davis: ‐it was just a family event and two randoms‐

Patton: Girls gone wild, that’s how it came in.

Durham: ‐don’t know how that was portrayed but‐

Davis: I‐I feel good that‐

Patton: We know, we know what the girls gone wild thing was and it wasn’t that event and it wasn’t second shift, it’s‐it’s not relevant.

Davis: Right, it’s not relevant uh this seemed like it was a‐a‐a family outing.

Durham: My parents even showed up out there.

Davis: Two people came, it probably would have been a whole lot better if those two people came with their spouses, but‐

Durham: Well, one‐one showed up for‐and I’ve been trying to think, maybe an hour. I feel like she only showed up for an hour. I mean, everything y’all asked me I’ve really just tried to replay, replay in my head and‐

Patton: Has there been any conversation in your building about this investigation since the last time we talked?

Durham: People‐

Patton: Passing comments, thoughts.

Durham: The‐the biggest thing is people want to know about Lewis, and‐and‐

Patton: What do they want to know?

Durham: ‐it’s like, well, the guys know that‐that um Fracker got asked to move into a‐a role in uh a leadership role for a time period in SWAT.

Davis: Oh, yeah.

Durham: ATL, or team leader, right. Something like that and you know everybody’s like‐so‐so the guys are like, “Are you at work?” You know, and texting Lewis and they’re like, “Something must be going on.” Because he’s like, “Yeah, I’m fine.” You know, it was absolute nothing, nobody’s really chattering so, they’re like “Is‐is something going on with um Lewis?” And I’m like, “I don’t know.” That’s‐that’s the extent of that, I think everybody’s like really paranoid, they know something’s going on but you know, just like me, it’s made me paranoid as crap and I‐I’m not doing anything as far as‐I’m not trying to get with that girl, ain’t never tried to get with that girl, that’s bad juju, in my opinion. Company ink‐and‐I once again want to reiterate that I spoke to both of them and lectured them on not doing anything with people you work with and all that.

Davis: For a lack of better terms, it’s a damn sex scandal going on in this Police Department that we’re trying to get to the bottom of. Not necessarily saying that you’re a part of it, but you‐you‐

Durham: No, you can say I am 100% not a part of it. Um, uh‐

Davis: Uh‐

Durham: I’m not.

Davis: We just had to confirm some things with you going back to the boat as far as the rumors are concerned and things like that but I mean, you’ve done these. You’ve done these and you know like Andrew said‐

Durham: Right.

Davis: ‐It’s messy and even when it’s over it’s going to be messy, but it’s what we do after that that’s going to be what’s important for us.

Durham: I feel like I 100% asked her that if I could have a vape of that.

Patton: And it is possible that you went into her room to ask her if you could have the vape.

Durham: Yeah, and‐and I think I walked out and got back in my bed. As far as anything else‐no, there was no contact whatsoever with her.

Patton: So‐so, just so you know, that’s exactly what we have.

Davis: Yep.

Patton: You went in, you got the vape, you left. It just didn’t come up the first time‐

Durham: Yeah.

Patton: ‐so, to be putting you in her bedroom, we needed to verify.

Durham: Right. 100%. That’s‐that’s fine, I don’t mind telling y’all‐

Patton: Yeah.

Durham: ‐I want to be 100% honest because that’s what you [inaudible].

Patton: Yep, yep.

Davis: I believe you. I have no reason not to believe you right now.

Durham: It‐it‐it‐just‐

Patton: Yeah.

Davis: We just needed to confirm that‐that it was not‐

Durham: Yeah. Do I remember‐

Davis: ‐more than [inaudible]‐

Durham: ‐every single detail, it was, what? Eight months ago. I mean, I’m trying to recall everything and yes, I was drinking um, you know, I remember bits and pieces and good times and everything else. Um, 98% of them were with my family and you know, my daughters getting launched in the air on the boat and you know, I remember Staats babysitting that girl, Meagan, you know, because he likes to take care but that’s like beyond what they were trying to do‐

Patton: Have you‐have you talked to Staats at all about this case?

Durham: He is‐he’s tore up and very‐he’s like, “I can’t hang out with nobody.” And all that and I’m like “Yeah, you shouldn’t.”

Patton: When did you have that conversation? Yesterday?

Durham: Yeah, it was like yesterday. He was like‐he was tore up that he had to be talked to and I’m like, “Just‐just, you didn’t do anything. You don’t have anything to worry about.” But‐

Davis: Basically, that wasn’t new information for him.

Durham: Yeah.

Davis: Yeah, I mean. Everything he’s done has come back.

Durham: He’s‐he’s tore up and he was like “I just‐I just can’t hang out with people at work.” I’m like “Yeah, you’re right.” I said, “Valuable lesson learned.” You know, that’s the same way with me.

Davis: Mm‐hmm. And that would be my advice to you just always remember that you’re the head of internal affairs and even though you’re off duty and free to do whatever it is you want to do, sometimes you have to remove yourself from situations‐

Durham: I have now learned that I can’t even go out and run into somebody here, and 100% say “No, thank you, me and my daughter are going to go over here.” But what I thought was you know I‐I with Larry, I felt‐I felt bad for him because he was sitting there at a bar drinking by himself and‐

Davis: I see no issue with that.

Durham: ‐and but at the same time, you know, she showed up and like I said, I didn’t‐I didn’t oh yeah, they’re going to do anything, I just thought they were you know, buddies on shift or whatever else. Do I think it’s odd? Yeah. I wouldn’t like my wife going to meet out at a bar with somebody she works with, I’d probably get pretty damn jealous of it and it wouldn’t be a good situation as every man in here would. But I don’t know if they hang out as a group and a family.

Davis: Just remember that level of separation for two reasons. One, you being the head of internal affairs and two, Lieutenant.

Durham: Oh, 100%. Yes, sir.

Davis: You’re a Lieutenant and‐and you just never know when things that you do outside of work‐you can’t do nothing to me, because you remember when we was out, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, they’ll try to use that against you. It’s like, well wait a minute.

Durham: Yeah, I‐I‐me and my wife talked about it and it’s like just this going through um‐

Patton: I’m assuming y’all talked based on the‐the encounter you had in the doorway with me at the Christmas party.

Durham: I‐I apologize for that, I

Patton: Felt kind of a little out of place.

Durham: I’m just‐just passionate about being right even though I was in the wrong, if you will. I was at the wrong place, wrong time‐

Patton: Wrong place, wrong time.

Durham: I wish I hadn’t have even been at that boat, you know. Um, my intentions were to have a good time with my family and it’s turned into part of something, as you said, a sexual debacle of‐whatever you said, I’m sorry‐I‐like it, spiraled out of control and you know. Now, my wife’s good, she’s like “I know you didn’t do anything. I know you didn’t do anything inappropriate.” So, um, that’s the good part of it. Well‐I just don’t like, I feel like a part of it though and like I have been doing something based off of questioning and I haven’t. And that’s what bothers me more than anything but I know y’all’ve gotta do your job and‐

Patton: Yeah.

Davis: I don’t have any more questions, I’m good.

Patton: I don’t either, I don’t either. Thank for coming back in.

Durham: Yes, sir.

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SERGEANT LEWIS PATTON PART 2 OF 2

HR Interview of Sergeant Lewis Powell (214) – Part 2

Patton: Thanks for coming back in. Um, this is a follow‐up conversation on our conversation from the 13th.

Powell: Okay.

Patton: Um, you remember the Garrity form?

Powell: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: You signed it then. Do you have any questions on that?

Powell: No.

Patton: Chief, anything you want to go over?

Davis: No, [inaudible].

Patton: No problem. Uh so, um, I’m more than a week into this investigation.

Powell: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Um, and I needed to follow‐up with you specifically because some of the information you provided to me uh the last time, I’ve learned a lot more information about. Um, so, I wanted to get you back in here um so that we could try to learn all that you know. Um, because I don’t believe that you told me all that you know the last time. Okay. So, um, I really want to start with when we were talking about um, I think I asked you the question what‐what information do you have about intimate or sexual relationships within second shift? Might have said the department, but we’re talking about that. You told me last time that Ty and Meagan Hall hooked up. And I asked you‐

Powell: I didn’t say they hooked up, I said it’s just a rumor, speculation.

Davis: A rumor that you heard?

Powell: Yeah, yeah, just a rumor.

Patton: I believe your exact words were that they hooked up, because that’s what I wrote down.

Powell: [inaudible]

Patton: Okay. However, you don’t remember who told you that, okay. Is what you told me.

Powell: Nobody didn’t tell me, it’s just the way they interact.

Patton: Okay. So, so, I know a lot of information now. So, I’m going to give you another opportunity to be honest with me about what you know about Ty and Meagan Hall. That’s not all‐that’s not all you know.

Powell: I don’t know anything.

Patton: Yes, you do.

Powell: I don’t.

Patton: Yes, you do.

Powell: I don’t know if they hooked up or not.

Patton: Yes, you do.

Powell: How would I know?

Patton: Because you do. So, I want to give you the opportunity under Garrity to tell me what you know about Ty and Meagan Hall.

Powell: I’m not sure if they hooked up but, I’ve saw‐I think I saw a car at his house but it was a red car, so I don’t know.

Patton: Okay.

Powell: If it was actually her car or not.

Patton: Have you spoken to Meagan Hall within the last two weeks?

Powell: No, been on 23‐hour lockdown.

Patton: Okay. So, that’s also not true, okay. Um, I know that you and Meagan Hall were at Planet Fitness in Murfreesboro last week.

Powell: I haven’t met anybody.

Patton: That’s also not true, sir. I can’t impress upon you the importance of being honest at this point.

Davis: Hold on a second. Lewis, why are we doing this? He‐he’s obviously given you very specific information that‐that he has found out. Why are we going down this road? Let me ask you, who‐who’s career are you trying to save? Yours or theirs?

Powell: I’m trying to save mine.

Davis: Okay, but then if you’re trying to save yours, I need you to talk to this guy. I need you‐no, seriously. Look at the seriousness, I need you to talk to this guy, alright? Because if you’re trying to save theirs, saving theirs could be potentially hurting yours. So, talk to this guy.

Powell: I don’t know if they hooked up or not. I don’t know for sure, but I did see her car there. So, [inaudible] I think she texted me‐I forget, a while ago, and she texted me and said “Haven’t spoke to you in a while.” And I was like, I didn’t answer, it was like ten o’clock and that’s in the morning. [inaudible] got very vague in my texts, and uh, I asked her [inaudible] I said, “I’m on admin leave.” She said, “Why?” I said, “Speculation on me and you doing something at the substation.” So, she’s like, “Do you want to talk about it?” I said, “We can talk about it.” So, yeah, we met at Planet Fitness and just kind of just talked about it and I was like‐

Patton: Alright, so, pause. This is where I need us to live, in the honest world, okay. The City has a corporate relationship with Planet Fitness, so when I received the information that you were there, I verified it.

Powell: I didn’t sign in or nothing.

Patton: That’s correct, you didn’t. But there’s cameras all outside the building, right. So, I have watched videos, I have seen photos, I have seen way too much of Officers naked bodies than I want to see in this investigation, okay. So, where we are right now, where we’re headed right now, this is where I need us to live, okay. So, you met up with Meagan at Planet Fitness last Wednesday, correct?

Powell: I don’t know if it was Wednesday or Thursday, I’m not sure the day.

Patton: Okay. Tell me what your conversation was with her.

Powell: It’s uh basically, wondering what the speculation was, wondering what was going on. I was like, you know we‐we‐I never‐I never ever did anything with her at all.

Patton: Okay.

Powell: Um, she didn’t want to upset nobody, I asked how her doctor’s appointments are going, she said fine and our conversation left there. I was like, you know, we just need to be honest about stuff. I said, I [inaudible] help you out on a lot of stuff, you did come to the substation but nothing never happened, you know.

Patton: Okay. Did you guys talk about Ty at that meeting?

Powell: Well, I asked her, I was like, “I thought I saw your car at Ty’s house.”

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Powell: And she kind of paused, she said, “Yeah, my car was at Ty’s house.” That’s what she told me. So, I don’t know if she was lying or was actually‐

Davis: So, why just a second ago it was a red car there but I don’t know if it was hers or not, but then now you just confirmed that it was her car?

Powell: Well I‐I don’t, well she’s told me that her car was there, I don’t know for sure if it was her or not.

Davis: Okay.

Patton: Yeah, it was her car. It was her car.

Powell: Okay.

Patton: Um so, when we left on the 13th we had given you um some guidance to not have any conversations with anybody that worked for the LaVergne Police Department besides Chief and myself. Why did you make the decision to violate that request and meet with Meagan?

Powell: Just to talk‐talk to her.

Patton: Okay.

Powell: I was scared, she was scared, everybody’s scared.

Patton: Okay. Um so, I have information, okay. Uh, that I‐I know that you know that her and Ty have been sexual.

Powell: I don’t know for sure but it’s pretty obvious if her car was there.

Patton: Yeah. Well I‐I know that you know this, because I’ve seen it and I also know that you had a conversation with Ty in order to make sure that both of your stories that you’re giving to me were the same. So, I would like for you to tell me about your conversation with Ty and why you guys have decided to intentionally deceive the investigation.

Powell: Well he called me and I asked, I don’t know what day, and we met down the street from my house.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Powell: We was just talking and uh I don’t remember the whole conversation, I was crying most of the time.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Powell: But it was uh, I’m not‐he didn’t say anything about sex. Um‐

Patton: Did he‐did he tell you that he met with me?

Powell: Uh‐uh.

Patton: Did he tell you that he showed me videos and photos and all that stuff?

Powell: No.

Patton: So, I guess I will go back to what Chief said a few moments ago. We are here with you to try to work on your future. So, I mean I know what I know and I’ve got‐I’ve got plenty of supportive information at this point. I didn’t have it on the 13th, I have it now. So‐so, you met with Ty down the street from your house, right. And then you guys talked, obviously, you both probably shared with each other that you had met with me. You told him that you denied everything.

Powell: Say what?

Patton: You told him that you denied everything, right.

Powell: Right. I don’t know if I denied it.

Davis: Bullshit.

Patton: You denied it to me.

Davis: You denied every single thing that he asked you.

Patton: You denied it to me in the first interview, there’s no question about that.

Powell: Right.

Patton: I asked you did‐you said “I’ve never hooked up with Meagan Hall.” You denied it, so.

Davis: Ain’t never traded pics.

Patton: Yeah. So, you told him that you denied it, is that correct?

Powell: Yeah.

Patton: And he told you that he denied it.

Powell: Don’t remember.

Patton: Okay. And so, let’s go back to the Planet Fitness parking lot, you and Meagan Hall, tell me about the conversation that was giving her some guidance and some instructions that she should continue to deny it. Tell me about that part of the conversation.

Powell: I just told her to tell them what you know about what’s going on.

Patton: Okay.

Powell: You know.

Patton: Okay.

Powell: Uh, I’m trying to remember the conversation.

Patton: You didn’t tell her to stick to the story?

Powell: I said, stick to no story, I said uh, we both have careers, uh where we never ever, we never did nothing, you know.

Patton: Okay. Just for the record at this point, I know that’s a lie. I know that’s a lie.

Powell: Talking about the substation?

Patton: Yes. She gave you a blowjob at the substation.

Powell: She didn’t give me a blowjob at the substation.

Patton: Yes, she did.

Powell: I never got a blowjob then.

Patton: Okay. Unfortunately, that’s not the case. I know that’s not the case. I also know that you both checked 10‐7 early often on shift. We’ve looked at records on all that, we’ve traced when, where you guys go and I really want you to be honest with me. At this point, there is no more purpose of lying.

Powell: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Um, because here’s the situation. Um, I‐I’ve added an allegation to your claim of intentional interference with an investigation. You know, I know that you told Meagan to‐to deny it, I know you told her to stick to her story, I know that you talked to Ty about that, I also know that Ty has reached out to Meagan, told her to deny it, stick to the story. Uh, I know he ended that conversation by saying “Hey, this call never happened. This call never happened, we never talked.” I know all of that, I’ve got all of that. Um, and this is your opportunity to sit with us and be honest. So, at this point um, I’m not going to ask any other questions, I’m just going to allow you to share the full extent of your relationship with Meagan Hall and [inaudible] I know you know about Ty and then I‐when you’re done sharing, I’m going to revisit some other names of people that I brought up the first time.

Powell: Alright. Yeah well, we hooked up. We did have oral sex at the substation. Uh, we did hook up in the car several times. Um, what else? I did tell her about the story, that we probably need to say‐at least keep out families together. I did talk to Ty. Um, I’m sure we talked about the conversation we were going to have with HR. I’m not sure the exact words, I was crying most of the time. Um, what was I saying, he never told me that they hooked up. He never said that. I believe, you know, Meagan told me, I saw her car at the house and I asked her about it and she said “Yeah, I was down there.” And she never told me if they had sex or not, I’m not sure. Um, that’s all the questions.

Patton: Okay. I don’t like being that strong, it’s not my personality, but I didn’t want to waste any of our time, okay. Um, so thank you. I‐I know all of that to be true, okay.

Davis: Lewis, how come you didn’t say this on the 13th?

Powell: Scared. Nervous.

Davis: So, okay. I’m not going to even call it a mistake. You know, you do what you do, fine, it is what it is. The issue that I have, just like I told her, is I’m disappointed it happened on duty. Off duty, I could care less. Because in my‐in my side of the fence, City policy says as long as it’s made known, you could have come at me as Chip and say “hey” that’s making it known, okay. And then when this investigation come out and he asked me, “Did you know Lewis Powell and Meagan Hall was together?” Yes. That satisfies policy. “What did you do?” I counseled them, I said “Hey, I don’t care what y’all do on your off time, as long as it doesn’t come back to work.” Wrote it down, kept it in my files. That would have satisfied all of that. But, I’m hurt. Let me tell you that, I’m hurt because you lied to me and you didn’t have to do that. You think you lied to him, but you lied to me because this is the department that I’m over and you didn’t have to do that. We‐we could have gotten through all of this but you compounded by‐you compounded‐I guess I can’t call it a mistake, but you compounded that by‐by lying and you didn’t have to.

Powell: I was just scared. I’m scared.

Davis: I get it, I get it. I get it.

Powell: First time in fourteen years‐

Davis: But I’d rather be scared because I told the truth and don’t know what’s going to‐reaction’s going to be than be scared and not know, when you left here you didn’t have a good feeling about whatever was going on, I’m sure you didn’t enjoy your vacation.

Powell: Nope.

Davis: And I thought you‐you probably thought you felt better when we was going to give you your spot back. And that was the truth, because at that point in time, we didn’t have anything else. But everybody like you, right now at this moment, decided they wanted to try to save their career. So, they finally told the truth. That’s how he knew what he knew. Because everybody stopped thinking about the other person and started thinking about themselves and that’s what you just done again. I appreciate it, I am hurt, I’m going to tell you that right now. I am hurt and this is something that’s‐that’s definitely going to have to be discussed. Anything else?

Patton: Um

Davis: Who else‐who else do you know?

Patton: What other Officers?

Powell: Um‐

Davis: Who are the other Officers?

Powell: Maybe Larry Holladay was at the house and stuff.

Patton: Yeah, your comment was “Larry Holladay told me he hung out at someone’s house‐at someone’s house.”

Powell: Maybe‐maybe Shields.

Davis: How did you come up with Shields?

Powell: Um, just the way they interact and hang around each other and getting giddy and texting each other.

Patton: So, give me more specifics on that. What do you know about them?

Powell: Uh, just really touchy feely, hugging up on each other and you know, Shields always a hugger but it’s like a little‐little different hugs.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Powell: So.

Patton: Is that the full extent of what you know?

Powell: We may have‐we have had a conversation, I mean, I think he said she may have gave him a blowjob but it was just maybe a blowjob.

Patton: What about Larry? You and Larry talk?

Powell: Um, yeah.

Patton: You and Larry talked since the last time we talked?

Powell: Uh, we text back and forth.

Davis: Did you talk about this?

Patton: Mm‐hmm. Did you talk about the case?

Powell: Uh, not really, a little bit but not really, not in full detail.

Patton: Okay. But you know that Larry and her‐

Powell: Probably, most likely, yes. I haven’t seen it but he said they did hook up.

Patton: Yeah.

Powell: But hook up‐I don’t know if they’re having sex or not, but a hook up to me is like sex.

Patton: Yeah, yeah. Um, you also said maybe PMag. You sticking to the maybe on that one?

Powell: Well, I don’t know that for sure. Ain’t nobody told me that, I don’t‐I don’t know for sure.

Patton: You just threw it out there?

Powell: Dude, that was a big speculation, or rumor really.

Patton: Okay.

Powell: Usually the way they hang out and everybody thought they was having a I guess, open marriage sex. I did ask Hall about that too.

Patton: What did she say?

Powell: She said they hooked up. Oh, I’m sorry‐sex, hooked up, sex.

Patton: Absolutely. Here’s‐here’s the thing, everybody involved has this like‐and‐and I say strange, because of what y’all do every single day, they have this strange notion that everything was going to be packaged up with a bow on it and no one is ever going to know. This did not‐this investigation did not start within the department, it did not come to me from within the Police Department, it came from outside the Police Department. And as I’ve mentioned to a couple of other people, what y’all thought was just going to be protected and quiet, it got to me. And if it gets to me, it’s going to get to spouses and friends and other coworkers. That’s why as‐as we have gone on day after day after day after day, that’s why I wanted to talk with you because I was like, we didn’t get at all any of the accurate story. So, I wanted to give you an opportunity. So, PMag was a rumor but you did ask Hall.

Powell: She said they hooked up.

Patton: Yeah. Okay, and you talked with Larry and he said that they hooked up. But for some strange reason, Ty has never told you that he hooked up.

Powell: No, he didn’t tell me. Not when‐when we was talking‐

Patton: Because that’s the one piece, you’ve‐you’ve given me everything I already knew except you haven’t‐

Powell: He never told me they hooked up. When we was talking, I was like man, [inaudible] it was like he stopped me like‐because I‐he said‐well he looked towards his house, but he never told me. That’s the honest truth.

Patton: But in your gut, you know.

Powell: Probably. Yeah, he probably did in my gut.

Davis: So, what would have been the purpose of hooking up with him if he didn’t really have anything to do with it?

Patton: As far as coordinating stories, is that what you mean?

Davis: Yeah.

Patton: We’ve been saying hooked up, I want to make sure that I’m changing the context of the phrase.

Davis: Okay, I’m sorry. Yes.

Powell: Because‐because we got‐

Davis: Yeah, why get together and talk about it if‐if he didn’t have‐

Powell: He always talks to me about stuff, like having a problem with this, problem at home, you know. We always talk all the time. So, I just needed somebody to lean on.

Patton: And you’re both‐both Sergeants.

Powell: Mm‐hmm, he’s my lean on.

Davis: That’s‐that’s legit. I have to have somebody.

Powell: Yeah. I can’t go home and talk to my wife about it, we’re having problems. So, you know.

Patton: I’m going to ask you a question uh and the question comes more out of concern, okay. I got information yesterday that you guys had a bit of a domestic.

Powell: Yep, yep.

Patton: Okay, okay. You okay?

Powell: She scratched me, punched me.

Patton: Okay. That’s what I heard.

Powell: Yep.

Patton: And I was told no Police report, and I said‐I‐I

Powell: I mean, I can’t call the Police on my wife.

Davis: Was it over this?

Patton: Yes, yeah.

Powell: Yeah, yeah.

Davis: What does she know?

Powell: She knows what I told her.

Davis: Huh?

Powell: She knows what I told her.

Davis: You was honest with her? Somewhat.

Powell: No

Davis: Like you were with us? You denied everything to her?

Powell: Uh, I didn’t deny it but I told her it was something going on and she was like “I can’t believe you’re doing this shit to me.”

Patton: Yeah, I heard that yesterday and I wanted to‐I mean, I didn’t even mention it to him but I wanted to make sure that you were okay. Because they said no Police report‐

Powell: I’m fine, she’s already‐she’s already hired a divorce attorney, so.

Patton: I’m sorry.

Davis: How can we help you?

Powell: Ain’t nothing anybody can do for me, that’s on me. So, I lose my wife and kids, job, ain’t nothing anybody can do about it.

Davis: Nobody said you were losing your job. I would have much rather you have said this stuff back on the 13th, it would have made it much easier on us but‐

Powell: Yeah, I fucked up. I messed up.

Davis: That’s it right there, man. That’s it. That’s‐that’s the end game. “I fucked up.”

Powell: I [inaudible].

Davis: That’s‐you know, I had to go two days you have been on vacation, or whatever the case may be, to get to that right there.

Powell: If I had my choice, I’d just rather lose my job than lose my wife.

Davis: I 100% agree.

Powell: You know, it is what it is, nothing I can do about it.

Davis: So, now I have to decide, because you did give false statements under Garrity, I have to decide how sincere you are today if I’m going to go and at least let you have your certification. You know, so, now is the time. I mean, if there’s more. I thought losing an Officer was tough, this is tough. This is tough. But I‐you know, I appreciate your honesty. You know, um we saw it in you the first time, we knew you was scared but you wouldn’t‐you wouldn’t tell us what we wanted. What we, you know, what needed to be said. Anything else?

Patton: No, no, I think I’m good.

Davis: Lewis, do you have any questions?

Powell: What’s the next step?

Patton: Well, I’m going to put you back out on admin leave. Okay. Um, same‐same parameters, you can’t be at anything Police or City related, can’t talk to anybody at the City, I‐honestly don’t believe that you’ll follow that, but that.

Powell: It‐it is going to be followed.

Patton: That is the guidance. Um, I will‐just for consistency, I’ve told every other person that I’ve given this same statement to that if we discover that you have talked to people, we’ll‐we’ll make an immediate recommendation to change the admin paid leave. Um, investigation will be concluded uh, probably sometime next week as far as some decisions and at that point um, we’ll call you in for

Davis: How is‐how is your dog food for Hera?

Powell: I may have another week.

Davis: Okay. Anything she need?

Powell: No.

Davis: You been getting her out?

Powell: Just [inaudible] in the yard and stuff.

Davis: Need to keep her work ready. If and when the time comes, she needs to be ready to work. So, what other questions you got?

Powell: [inaudible] Nothing I can do about it now. [inaudible]

Davis: If‐if we can, Andrew, I want to‐I want to just stop for a minute on the house part of it. What‐what really can we do to help you?

Powell: There’s nothing you can do for me, no.

Davis: Okay. Because even though we’re going through this, we still care. We still care. It’s something that, I’m not‐I’m not saying that me as a Chief of Police about to get on the telephone to call the Agency, I’m not saying that, I’m saying as a member of this department, what is it that we can do?

Powell: Nothing. I’m getting ready to go home and get into more domestics, so.

Davis: Now you do know, you know, I think I heard you all said you was having issues or whatever that that you have an opportunity for a few free counseling sessions for you all. Um, I

Patton: And legal assistance, all kinds of assistance and all kinds of things, EAP, you’re still‐you’re still‐

Davis: Still‐

Patton: You’re still a Police Officer, you’re still an employee of the City and that doesn’t change, you’re still getting paid every single day so, those benefits are still there.

Davis: Yeah. So, I mean that’s‐that’s a resource. Um, you should look into it. Judge may make you do that anyway before they grant anything.

Powell: Hopefully nothing else happens at the house, but I’m pretty sure it will.

Davis: So, what happens when we open this door?

Powell: I’m going to my truck and I’m going to go home.

Patton: You bring your POV?

Powell: Maybe I’ll go home, maybe I won’t.

Davis: You need to talk to anybody while you’re here?

Powell: Nope.

Davis: DC or Konrad, anybody like that?

Powell: Nothing they can do for me. I really keep them out my business anyway.

Patton: We‐we still have all the credentials and all that stuff? Okay. Well, I’m sorry that we’re where we’re at but um, like I said, we’ll put you back on admin leave with pay and you can expect a phone call at some point next week or the week after. And then there will be some decisions made about futures and whatever that looks like and we’ll call you back in here and we’ll discuss that together, face to face.

Davis: Um, I don’t know if Andrew mentioned but we don’t make the final decision. You know, he’s just going to write up this‐I’m assisting this, like I said, it didn’t come to the Police Department so it’s not a Police Department investigation. It came through to him. So, therefore I’m just assisting. He has‐he’s got a report that he’s going to write up and you know. We can speak for you. But that’s all I got.

Patton: Okay. Do you have any questions?

Powell: No. My timecards is in the box, so.

Patton: Do you want him to fill out that timecard, Chief?

Powell: Everything’s already been filled out, it’s all good.

Davis: No, you don’t have to fill it out, it’s‐it’s admin, it’s admin pay, we’ll fix it.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Are you eights or tens?

Powell: Tens.

Davis: Tens, okay. Yeah, we’ll fix it.

Patton: Okay.

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OFFICER LARRY HALLODAY PART 2 OF 2

Interview of Larry Holladay (312) – Part 2

Patton: Um so, we last talked on the 14th. Um, and this investigation continues to unfold, continues to grow. Um so, we need to ask you some‐both of us need to ask you some follow‐up questions.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Um, on some of the things that you shared with us. Uh, obviously, I brought this too. You know just, you’re still under Garrity. Um, can you tell me between the time we’ve talked on the 14th and today, um have you had conversations with Meagan Hall?

Holladay: She has texted me but I haven’t responded.

Patton: Okay. What has she said to you?

Holladay: I would have to look, I don’t recall.

Patton: Okay. Do you mind looking?

Holladay: I’m not going to give you my phone, no.

Patton: Okay.

Holladay: It was nothing about any of this.

Patton: Okay.

Holladay: Mostly hey, how you doing, this, that and the other and I just wouldn’t respond.

Patton: Okay. Have you had conversations, texts or any other kind of communication with Sergeant Powell?

Holladay: I texted him to see how he’s doing.

Patton: Okay.

Holladay: Nothing about this.

Patton: Nothing about the investigation, okay. How about Sergeant McGowan?

Holladay: I don’t think I’ve talked to Ty.

Patton: Okay. Is there anything that I asked you about in the last conversation that you wanted to change, anything that you wanted to add that you didn’t mention?

Holladay: Um, when you asked if I had been at the substation with her and I said I couldn’t remember if I went in, um, I would have had to have gone in to disable the alarm.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Holladay: But nothing other than that.

Patton: That was actually one of our noted things we talked about after you left was like “How did the alarm get turned off?”

Holladay: Yeah. It just didn’t register when we talked the first time.

Patton: Yeah. So, second questions I asked you last time was you know, what knowledge do you have of any intimate or sexual relationships between Meagan Hall and um anybody at LPD. Your first answer was no knowledge. Over the last week plus um we’ve received some other information that would contradict that.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: You’ve obviously shared about yourself, which I appreciate.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Um so, I think we just wanted to have the opportunity to give you another opportunity to say like, what other relationships do you have knowledge about, have you heard and maybe a little bit to why we would have new information that would contradict some of that.

Holladay: Couldn’t say.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: So, nobody in passing has said anything to you?

Holladay: Uh‐uh. You know me, I try to stay out of‐I try to stay out of my own shit‐on my own lane. I do my best to stay out of drama like this shit.

Patton: I mean this is you know, this is really messy.

Holladay: I would agree with that.

Davis: I don’t know if I said it to you but I’ll say it you know, this is a situation that not mentioning other names is not saving them, this is an opportunity you know, this is for you, your benefit.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: So, we’re just saying that you can’t do anything if you give us names or anything like that. That doesn’t change anything for that situation.

Holladay: I’m aware of that.

Davis: But it could hurt yours.

Holladay: Okay. Let me‐let me ask‐

Davis: If you‐if you, you get what I’m saying?

Holladay: I understand what you’re saying. Let me ask this.

Davis: Save‐save yourself, I guess is what I’m trying to say.

Holladay: I understand that. What are the allegations against me? If any.

Patton: You confirmed the allegation against you which is that you had a sexual relationship with Meagan Hall.

Holladay: Okay.

Patton: Yeah.

Davis: And‐which violates City policy because‐

Patton: Right, yeah. Yeah.

Davis: ‐[inaudible] did you read this after?

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: After we got done? Yeah.

Patton: And so, that’s the allegation that’s been confirmed by both parties.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. So, we’re not at a disagreement on that‐on that topic. Um, as I’m sure you are aware, there are people who are not at work, right?

Holladay: Correct.

Patton: You are at work.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: So, there’s a distinction right there that would be important to just acknowledge. Um, a lot of that has to do and‐and you can add any words you want but a lot of it has to do with your honesty um in that initial meeting. Um, I mean, I‐I’ve said to probably almost everybody, I’m not asking any questions I don’t already have the answers to, I’m just asking them to get confirmation and allow people to be honest and the dishonest part is what has been maybe most, I don’t know, discouraging, alarming.

Davis: [inaudible]

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Because of what y’all do everyday and the weight that you carry when you go to court and different things. I‐so, some people have come in and been like “Yep. I did this, I did that or whatever.” Other people haven’t said that and then come back in a second or a third interview and been like “Okay, well the reality is, I did all‐“ You know.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: You didn’t do that with us and I appreciate that. Not‐maybe that doesn’t mean anything but I appreciate that, it’s why you’re still at work. I just have others telling me that you are aware of other relationships and other encounters and so, I’m going to ask you some very specific information and then give you an opportunity to‐

Holladay: Okay.

Patton: You know, answer that. Um so, did you know prior to any conversation regarding investigation, did you know that Sergeant Powell and Meagan were in a relationship or had any kind of intimate contact?

Holladay: No.

Patton: None. How about Ty?

Holladay: Nope.

Patton: Any‐um, it’s like a help me understand question, right? So, you don’t have information, but they have information about you and that’s‐I’m trying to figure that out.

Holladay: You would have to ask them who they got that from, because it wasn’t me.

Patton: Okay, okay.

Davis: And they were being pretty specific in their‐in their responses in that. That’s why you’re back here because the way that it came out to us, there’s no way that you couldn’t have known that those guys were involved with her. So, that’s‐that’s why you’re here now to‐to kind of go back on that question and say‐

Holladay: I‐I didn’t know she was‐

Davis: So, let me ask you this. Did you think you was the only person dealing with her?

Holladay: I assumed I was, in that regard. I mean, she’s friendly with folks on shift like, I don’t. But I don’t, I mean, I don’t look into that, I don’t look too deep into that stuff.

Patton: Does it‐are you surprised by all the stuff that’s happened around this?

Holladay: I mean, yeah it’s‐it’s a shock, I guess.

Patton: Yeah.

Davis: How would you describe yours and Meagan’s relationship?

Holladay: Do you want me to be honest with you?

Davis: 100%.

Patton: Always.

Holladay: After‐after work stress relief, that’s it.

Davis: Mm‐hmm.

Holladay: We’re friends, I mean we were, I haven’t talked to her. But you want me to be 100% honest, after work stress relief. That’s what it is, her and I both knew it.

Davis: Did she see it that way or she saw it as something more? That you know of.

Holladay: As far as I know, she saw it that way.

Patton: Has she‐has she shared any information with you in the last couple of weeks about pressure that she’s facing?

Holladay: No.

Patton: Uh, internally here.

Holladay: No.

Patton: Any kind of information about um I don’t know, is threats the right word, Chief? Is threats the right word, that‐that she’s‐

Holladay: I have not, when I say I haven’t responded to her, I have not responded to her.

Patton: Yeah. I’m just wondering if it’s coming to you, like hey, need some help, this is happening?

Holladay: No, this was‐this‐anytime she messaged me it was like “Hey, good morning. What are you doing?” And I just wouldn’t respond.

Patton: Okay, okay. So, she’s not sharing‐

Holladay: Uh‐uh.

Patton: Okay.

Holladay: She hasn’t‐

Davis: And that’s what we’re saying, on both sides.

Holladay: She hasn’t messaged me in probably a week, over a week.

Patton: Okay, okay.

Davis: Um, have you been‐have you been off or have you been working?

Holladay: Um, I took off‐

Davis: That one day. On Christmas Eve‐

Holladay: On Christmas Eve. But for the most part I’ve been working.

Davis: Did you work the other?

Holladay: No, sir. [inaudible]

Davis: Hear any buzz around here anything about this?

Holladay: No, but I‐since all of this, I come in to roll call, I got out in my car and I do my thing.

Davis: I’ve asked others this question. What do you think your desired outcome will be of this situation?

Holladay: On this one?

Davis: Your part of it.

Holladay: My part of it. I figured I’d get suspended.

Davis: You think that’s fair?

Holladay: No.

Davis: Why not?

Holladay: Because I haven’t done anything at work. I understand that, I understand that policy.

Davis: Mm‐hmm.

Holladay: I understand that. But I think that’s a little excessive. I don’t get in trouble, Chief.

Davis: You signed off on it though.

Holladay: I understand, I understand that.

Davis: And we get it, what you‐what you do on your own time is your own time but, what you do on your own time has affected, not necessarily you, but the whole situation‐the situation as a whole has affected work and that’s what that policy covers.

Holladay: I‐I

Davis: It covers‐it covers situations‐

Holladay: I understand.

Davis: ‐just like this.

Holladay: Let me see if I can answer your question this way. I’m not going to bitch if I uh get a suspension.

Davis: You said what?

Holladay: I’m not going to gripe or fight a suspension. I‐I fully, when you showed me that policy, I fully understood‐I was like, “Okay, I’m getting suspended.”

Davis: That’s just being straight up, that’s just being straight up. I mean, we don’t know what‐I think it’s‐

Holladay: Yeah. I

Davis: Like he said every day brings on something new.

Holladay: This‐this is‐on top of all the other stuff that I’ve had going on over Christmas, and all this other crap‐

Davis: You’re just over it.

Holladay: I’m done with it, that’s it.

Davis: Just over it.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Holladay: I’ve said what I’ve said, I

Davis: Do you need some time off?

Holladay: I’ve told you the truth in everything that I’ve said. I’m done with it.

Davis: Okay. I want to switch gears for a minute. How are you, how are you?

Holladay: I’m making it.

Davis: You said what?

Holladay: I’m making it.

Davis: It seems like something’s going on.

Holladay: I ain’t seen my kid in two months.

Davis: Really?

Holladay: Ever since that night that got brought up.

Davis: Is it because of that night? That football night?

Holladay: No.

Davis: But did‐

Holladay: It was, no‐that‐

Davis: The incident‐the incident that you and I talked about?

Holladay: Yes.

Davis: Okay, okay. And that’s why Christmas was kind of hard for you?

Holladay: Christmas was shit.

Davis: How can I help?

Holladay: You can’t. Can’t nobody help but me. I wouldn’t ask nobody for help, because I don’t do that.

Davis: That’s what we’re here for.

Holladay: That’s why I work all this overtime.

Davis: That’s what we’re here for though. I mean, this‐this situation is a situation but more importantly, I’m‐Chip is concerned about Larry.

Holladay: I mean honestly, morale in this place is terrible.

Davis: Why?

Holladay: Couldn’t tell you, but it’s awful.

Davis: What’s causing it?

Holladay: I couldn’t say.

Davis: So, how do you know the morale is awful?

Holladay: Everybody’s in a pissed off mood all the time. Nobody wants to be here. You know, uh‐

Davis: What‐what do you think is‐

Holladay: A lot of it for me is the overtime thing.

Davis: What about it?

Holladay: It’s gone. We feel like we can’t get no overtime.

Davis: Overtime is not gone, we just don’t want senseless overtime. So, let me just tell you what’s out. What’s out is you have a second shift Officer who stays over to help a third shift Officer do paperwork.

Holladay: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: When there’s no third shift Officer on a call that could be there helping with paperwork. That’s what’s out, senseless overtime.

Holladay: Well, when it‐when it came about and the‐of course the K9, our K9 days got cut. Like, we got to start our shift for training instead of you know, we had four hours basically built in every‐every week.

Davis: Do you understand the reason why we did that?

Holladay: Uh‐uh.

Davis: Because‐So, here’s one thing, and I know we’re‐we’re off topic here but‐

Patton: That’s okay, I’m going to‐I think we’re‐

Davis: Let’s finish this up and then we’re going to talk.

Patton: Yeah, yeah, I was going to say. I just‐because we don’t need all of this in a part of this file. Um, I don’t have any other questions.

Davis: I don’t have anything.

Patton: Okay, I’m going to go ahead and stop the recording.

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OFFICER JUAN LUGO-PEREZ PART 2 OF 2

HR Interview of Juan Lugo‐Perez (334) – Part 2

Patton: Alright, thanks for coming back in.

Lugo: Yes, sir.

Patton: Um, this document here is the one that you signed two days ago, do you remember that?

Lugo: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. Chief, anything that you need to go over on that Garrity again or are you good?

Davis: No, do you need that to be explained to you again or anything like that?

Lugo: No, I’ve read it once before.

Davis: Okay.

Patton: Okay. So, obviously, we had a detailed conversation on the 20th, two days ago. Um, and this is a follow‐up conversation. Um, what you see in front of me here, the notes I took from our conversation with you. Um so, Juan, we‐we started you know, um asking some questions last time and we got um more truthful as the questions went on, which I appreciated. Um, we are um at this point about done with our investigation. Um, but we have‐we have reason to believe that you haven’t been fully honest with us by information that we’ve received. Um and so, because of that and because you did sign the Garrity form, we’re going to give you the opportunity to be completely honest if there’s something that you left out. So, before I ask you any questions, you do remember the topic of our last conversation?

Lugo: Yes.

Patton: Okay. Is there anything that you did not disclose to me in the course of that investigation that you’d like to disclose now?

Lugo: I mean, the only thing I can think of is just what the rumors were. Um, but.

Patton: Okay. And this would be specifically related to you, not anything else.

Lugo: Oh, to me?

Patton: Yes.

Lugo: No, then no.

Patton: Okay. So, the last time we talked about the fact that you had received a nude image from Officer Hall on Snapchat, and you confirmed that. You‐you also told me that you talked to PMag about that, right?

Lugo: Yes, sir.

Patton: And that you confirmed you confirmed you had sent her a dick pic as well.

Lugo: Yep.

Patton: I didn’t write it down, but I’m assuming through Snapchat.

Lugo: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: Okay. So, tell me about um the‐oh, you also told me last time that you have a group of people that you hang out with. Um, Liedtke, Schoeberl, PMag. We asked you specifically about if you’ve been with Meagan Hall, you said no and that you um don’t umm go out where drinking with guys when there’s going to be a female present. Is that accurate?

Lugo: If there is, usually uh I gotta get approval from my wife.

Patton: Okay, okay.

Lugo: Yeah. We’ve only hung out a couple of times, it’s always been at my house besides the Five Finger Death Punch concert we went to, and it was just with the boys.

Patton: And you mentioned that, okay. Tell me about the um, tell me about the place where you and

Meagan met up.

Lugo: Uh, we met up around the City. Um, just side‐by‐side car.

Patton: Okay. This would be off duty?

Lugo: No, this is on duty, while we’re working.

Patton: Okay.

Lugo: Side‐by‐side car.

Patton: Tell me about your meet up with her at Go Kart USA in Murfreesboro.

Lugo: Um so, we actually did uh hang out once over there and I did get a hotel and we did have sex. Uh and that is the truth.

Patton: So, Juan, why did you lie in the first part of the investigation?

Lugo: I was scared and nervous.

Patton: You realize the form that you signed and what lying means, right?

Lugo: Yeah.

Patton: And Chief, just for the record, can you explain to him what lying means during the course of an investigation?

Davis: So, lying under an investigation gives us a finding of untruthfulness under investigation and uh under Garrity, uh this puts you in a‐in a totally different situation. Um, I’ll put it this way, the last person that uh was untruthful under an investigation, I decertified. He has a decertified hearing going on. If for some reason that doesn’t happen and you get to maintain your job, you’ll still be a Brady Officer. Do you know what a Brady Officer is?

Lugo: Yeah, uh, you can’t testify

Davis: Brady Officer is an Officer whose testimony could be called into question if and when he has to prosecute a case in court.

Lugo: Yes.

Davis: Um, truthfulness is‐is something that I don’t take lightly here. That’s your credibility out on the street. If you don’t have truthfulness, what do you have? And you have clearly not been truthful with us.

Lugo: I understand.

Davis: We gave you an opportunity, our last conversation, and uh you chose not to do that. Um, disappointment. I’m disappointed in you.

Lugo: I understand.

Davis: So, why didn’t you tell us that the first time?

Lugo: I was really scared.

Davis: Say that again?

Lugo: I was scared, I was nervous.

Patton: Scared of what or of who?

Lugo: To lose my job. That’s pretty much it, I was just scared.

Patton: So, one of the very first questions I asked you last time was “What do you know about intimate sexual relationships within second shift?” And your answer was nobody wants to say. So, obviously you’ve participated in that which tells me you probably also know specific names of other people who have participated in that.

Lugo: As far as rumors go, yes, I have.

Patton: Okay. Can you please list now, every name that you know that has participated or has been mentioned to as participating in that kind of behavior?

Lugo: The ones that have been mentioned is uh Lewis and her, that’s the only one I know about.

Patton: Lewis?

Lugo: Powell.

Patton: Powell and Meagan?

Lugo: Yeah.

Patton: Okay. When you were with Meagan, did you guys talk about any other Officers?

Lugo: No, we didn’t really do much talking, we just went straight to it and then left.

Patton: How did that come about? Who initiated that kind of interaction?

Lugo: I guess we both did. Uh, she initiated by sending the picture, then I replied further, I sent to her. And she said she wanted to do a quickie and I pretty much accepted. Um, we decided to meet up there.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: So, let me go man to man with you, if you don’t mind. So, you all can be out back showing dick pics to each other, but not talk about who you’ve been with?

Lugo: Say it again?

Davis: You can be outside with the fellas showing dick pics to each other, but not trade who you’ve been with. I think you know who else has been with her other than‐other than Lewis. I just‐don’t be scared now.

Lugo: I’m not scared now. Um, I really don’t know other than just Lewis, and yes, my suspicions were confirmed when they checked 10‐7 early. Uh, but that’s‐

Davis: Lewis and her checked 10‐7 early?

Lugo: Yeah, they‐they would check 10‐7 like at eleven or ten, typically on holidays or something. So.

Patton: Um, how many times did you meet up with Meagan to have sex?

Lugo: Uh, just the Go Fun USA one.

Patton: Okay.

Lugo: Um, our schedules are very opposite. So, it was pretty hard to meet up.

Patton: Okay. Um, in the last two days since we’ve talked with you, who within the department as a whole, have you discussed the investigation with?

Lugo: Uh, nobody. Just my wife.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: [inaudible]

Lugo: I should have been truthful from the beginning, I’m disappointed in myself too.

Patton: You got anything? Okay.

Davis: You want to go ahead?

Patton: Yep. So, I’m going to talk about next steps, okay. Um, so, when that door opens up you’re going to be on administrative leave. Um, it will be paid administrative leave. It’s something we do in the City simply because we don’t want you to have any kind of adverse employment action financially um regarding you know, any open investigations. This is an open investigation. Um however, you will be put on paid administrative leave today. Um, I believe there’s going to be a command staff member that’s going to come in, they’re going to collect some items from you, they’re going to take you home. Um, and you are not allowed to return to work until we let you know. You’re also not allowed to have any communication with anybody who works for the City of LaVergne except for myself or the Police Chief. Um and, when the investigation is complete you will be asked to come in for a meeting and we’ll determine what the next steps are from that point, okay? Do you have any questions about any of that?

Lugo: Just the timeline, or is it just unknown?

Patton: Yeah, timeline is unknown. Like I said, you’ll be on paid administrative leave until we ask you to come back in for a follow‐up meeting. Um, do you understand the restrictions on who you can and cannot communicate with? Okay. Um, I don’t really like to say it this strongly. However, this investigation has proved that I’ve had to. Um, if we find any evidence that you have communicated with anyone other than Chief or myself during your administrative leave, we will make an immediate recommendation for that to end. Okay? So, it is open at this point. So, these are the steps that‐

Lugo: Will I get notified by phone or you know‐

Davis: Stand by, keep your‐keep your City phone, you’ll have that.

Lugo: But will it be on‐on‐because I don’t really get emails unless I load it‐

Davis: Yeah, we’ll call.

Patton: Yeah, we will call‐we will call you and let you know when we’re ready to have that conversation. Um, and you know, when we do have that conversation the expectation is that any questions we may have, we’re going to start from the place that we are now which is honest. We’re not going to go back to any of those other answers. So, if we have any follow‐up questions or any kind of questions related to who’s communicated with you or who you’ve communicated with, the expectation is that you’re going to answer those honestly. The thing I would tell you is no question that we’ve asked you during either of these interviews or that I’ll ask you the next time, I‐I don’t know the answers to. I knew all the answers to the questions before we asked you them um so, it’s to your benefit to just kind of start from a place of honesty. Okay?

Lugo: Yes, sir.

Patton: Okay.

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SERGEANT HENRY “TY” MCGOWAN PART 2 OF 2

HR Interview of Henry “Ty” McGowan (164)

Patton: Hello, sir.

McGowan: What’s up?

Patton: Um, this is going to be a investigative conversation on a follow‐up to what we talked about last week. Um, I know Chief wants to start with a document.

Davis: You know what that is, Ty?

McGowan: Yeah, I’ve given it before. I don’t know the date.

Patton: It’s the 22nd.

McGowan: [inaudible]

Davis: You’re supposed to sign there.

McGowan: I’m supposed to sign, my bad.

Patton: So, I want to‐I want to talk about our meeting on the 14th. Um, obviously I want to kind of revisit from the start what we talked about that day and let you know obviously, I’ve learned a lot more since that point. Um, and so, I’m going to ask you for clarity on what you know and‐and uh, remind you that obviously you’re under obligation to tell the truth. So, when we met on the 14th um, we started our conversation out, um and we started with general confusion, right. Because you said you didn’t know why you were there. I’ve since come to learn that’s not the truth. Um‐

McGowan: Meaning‐meaning what?

Patton: Meaning that I know that you have talked to the Mayor and I know that you and the Mayor coordinated that visit and I know the reason for that meeting was to discuss your concerns of what was happening with Meagan Hall.

McGowan: Okay.

Patton: So, I’m really wanting to understand why you didn’t tell me that.

McGowan: You read the text messages.

Patton: I know, but unfortunately, I don’t believe that the text messages were full and complete.

McGowan: Meaning?

Patton: Meaning I think there were elements of the text messages that have been deleted.

McGowan: You‐okay. Go ahead.

Patton: So, again, I just want to ask you, did you talk to the Mayor?

McGowan: About Megan Hall?

Patton: About Megan Hall.

McGowan: No.

Patton: Okay. So, when we talked you mentioned that um you were aware of a party with Hall and her husband and PMag and his wife.

McGowan: Yep.

Patton: Um, and that there was a swap that took place at that event.

McGowan: Not at that event.

Patton: Okay. When did the swap happen?

McGowan: I don’t know.

Patton: Okay. Um, you talked about Jed confronting Hall about um cheating.

McGowan: She told me about it.

Patton: Okay. Um, I also asked you about um who you knew was involved in intimate or sexual relationships. Um, you mentioned to me Lewis Powell. Um, I‐I don’t know that you were completely honest with me about what you knew about Lewis. So, I wanted to give you an opportunity to tell me what you actually know about the relationship between Lewis and Meagan.

McGowan: As far as what?

Patton: As far as what they did. I asked you if you knew that they were engaged with on duty sexual activity, you said no.

McGowan: I’ve never heard that.

Patton: I just know that’s not the truth.

McGowan: Okay. I’ve never heard that they did anything on duty.

Patton: Okay. Except I know that Lewis has met with you and I know that Lewis has told you what happened.

McGowan: Not on duty. Not on duty.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: Nope. Where do I sign?

Davis: Down at the bottom.

Patton: Tell me about the meeting that you and Lewis had whether it was earlier this week or late last week.

Davis: 22nd.

McGowan: 22, okay. The meeting I had with Lewis was about his wife.

Patton: Okay, and where did y’all meet?

McGowan: Um, the school‐I don’t know the name of the school.

Patton: Okay. Whose house is that down from?

McGowan: Both of ours.

Patton: Okay. Do y’all live close to each other?

McGowan: Yep.

Patton: Okay. What‐what all did you talk about at that meeting?

McGowan: Talked about his wife and how she was acting.

Patton: Okay. Did he tell you about what happened at the house?

McGowan: Just told me that it wasn’t good.

Patton: What else did y’all talk about besides his wife?

McGowan: He was just venting about how he’s probably going to lose his job or lose rank. But that was a‐that was a conversation about his wife, Sheree.

Patton: Okay. So, I mean, I know that meeting took place and I also know that there was um coordination of how you both were going to handle this situation with HR.

McGowan: Coordination about what?

Patton: How you’re handling this investigation with HR.

McGowan: I’m sorry, no. That’s not true.

Patton: Okay. Did he tell you about meeting with Meagan last week?

McGowan: No.

Patton: No?

McGowan: No.

Patton: Okay. So‐so, I guess the‐the conflict that we have here, Ty. Is that you’re on one page of all “nos” and I’ve got a bunch of people on another page with all the same information.

McGowan: Uh, okay. So, what is it that you’re wanting to know? And I’m going to tell you, I’ve already told you I would be honest with you. I’m‐I ain’t got nothing to hide because I’m not involved in this.

Patton: Okay. So, tell me about your sexual relationship with Meagan Hall.

McGowan: My sexual relationship with Meagan Hall? No.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

McGowan: What sexual relationship with Meagan Hall? No.

Patton: I‐I know it happened.

McGowan: Okay. As a trained investigator, I know what you’re doing and that’s not going to work. I’m sorry. Because there’s‐the truth is out here, I haven’t had sex with Meagan.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: The only person that I know, come out of their mouth, had sex with Meagan, was Lewis and that‐I wasn’t there, I didn’t see it. But that’s the only person that I know.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: Because I would have told a couple of people about that.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

McGowan: Because there’s two people that I know that would have known and they would know everything.

Patton: Tell me about then your conversation with Meagan about coordinating a continual denial [inaudible]

McGowan: No. I’ve never had a conversation with Meagan about denial.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: Which one do you want to see first? Mayor’s or do you want to see Meagan’s?

Patton: Well, unfortunately I don’t trust that your phone is accurate at this point. I’ve seen information that would show that your phone is not accurate, Ty. It’s just not a true representation of what you’re telling me.

McGowan: Okay.

Patton: I know that you had sex with Meagan at your house on December 4th and I know that her car was seen at your house.

McGowan: December‐December 4th?

Patton: Yeah, the day that she came over, she said she was going to dress cute, you told me she came over that‐

McGowan: Yeah, she came over to talk about her‐

Patton: I know and you all had sex that day.

McGowan: Is that what she said? Are you serious? Number one, oh, good Lord Jesus Christ. No. Did not have sex with her. Fuck me. I’m in the middle of this.

Patton: You are in the middle of this and honestly, you’re‐

McGowan: ‐I only have‐

Patton: ‐more than in the middle of this.

McGowan: As you can tell my heart rate has changed. No. I can’t believe that. Wow. No. If I wanted to have‐okay. No. Oh my god, there’s so many things to say and I don’t know which ones to start with.

Patton: Okay, just start with the truth.

McGowan: The truth is, no I did not have sex with Megan Hall. Not at all. December 4th, right?

Patton: That was the last time.

McGowan: The last‐

Patton: It happened before that as well.

McGowan: When did that happen?

Patton: You tell me.

McGowan: No, you tell me. You’re the one with all the information.

Davis: And I’ll sit here and say that he’s not bluffing. Somebody‐

McGowan: I‐I understand, I understand what you’re saying and I understand what you’re saying. But somebody said that we had sex? No. Was her house‐was her car sitting at my house? Yes. I told you she was at my house and I told you the reason why.

Patton: I know.

McGowan: She wasn’t there long.

Patton: I know you told me that, I just don’t believe that you told me the full information.

McGowan: Okay. So, here we go, alright. I got you. You’re HR, you’re doing your job.

Patton: What was your text last Thursday to me about?

McGowan: Just knowing things.

Patton: What happened last Thursday?

McGowan: I’m not‐we’re not going to get into it. Meagan.

Patton: I think this is your best opportunity to‐

McGowan: To do what?

Patton: ‐get into whatever it is that you know and would like to share with me.

McGowan: Number one, I’m sorry, I’m not fucking Meagan Hall and I have no fucked Meagan Hall.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: Nor do I have any desire to fuck Meagan Hall. If I wanted to fuck Meagan Hall, I’d have fucked her while I was training her, I’d have fucked her before any of this shit happened.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: So, who has it out for you?

McGowan: Nobody that I know of‐

Patton: ‐it’s not‐it’s not‐

McGowan: ‐everybody’s been fucking confiding in me.

Patton: ‐it’s not just one person who has told this to us.

Davis: Yeah.

McGowan: Are you serious?

Patton: I am serious.

Davis: I wouldn’t bullshit you.

McGowan: Bro, oh my god.

Davis: That’s why‐That’s why I’m asking who has it out for you?

McGowan: Nobody‐the only people‐the enemies that I have here, that I know that work here at this department are people that wouldn’t even know the first thing about me and you know for a fact, me and David don’t like each other. David Durham would be one. Eubank, we don’t necessarily see eye‐to-eye. Konrad, we don’t see eye‐to‐eye. Eddie, we don’t see eye‐to‐eye.

Davis: Let’s narrow it down. Who on second shift?

McGowan: Second shift. Nobody on second shift that I know of. But that’s just because I don’t know of it. I mean, I’m nice to people like you know, like fucking you know, like Liedtke and Dwyer and stuff‐you know, people like Joyner, Cohea. I‐I’m nice to them but I don’t‐you know, I know we don’t necessarily‐I don’t kick it with none‐I don’t kick it with nobody outside of work.

Davis: Anybody want your spot over there?

McGowan: Oh, good lord. On second shift? Pick one. Everybody in this department wants everything I have. I’m the Narcotics supervisor, I am the head Firearms Instructor. How many people at this department want to be Firearms Instructors? Why the fuck would you put my name in the middle of this? Knowing good and well that if you bring in everybody over at CID right now and ask them, and I’m not implicating them, and please don’t bring them in, but at the same time if you bring in‐no. Why? She’s a child. She is 26 years old, the same age as my daughter. I’m not fucking that child.

Davis: Let me say this, you know, of course we’re close‐

McGowan: Yes.

Davis: ‐I have distanced myself because‐

McGowan: I get it and I‐I understand.

Davis: And it’s like, why?

McGowan: Bro.

Davis: That’s why you’re here because honestly‐honestly, you know, and Andrew’s right here and will tell you, initially, your name wasn’t even on the radar.

McGowan: Bro.

Davis: Until‐

McGowan: It shouldn’t be‐okay.

Davis: Until‐until, so, that’s why we’re just trying to‐

McGowan: So, trained investigator, here. Rumors around this fucking place and y’all‐you should know about the rumors around here. So, how the fuck did my name get in the middle of this all of a sudden?

Davis: This‐this all of a sudden, I‐I‐I will say this that your name came into it as you know, the question was asked, well who do you think‐

Patton: Your name came up before you and I met. So, when you rolled up next to me I was‐as I told you, I was surprised, I was like “I don’t know why we’re meeting off site.”

McGowan: Yeah.

Patton: And then while we were talking I was using that as an opportunity to ask you questions because your name had already come up.

McGowan: I don’t get it. I don’t get involved in‐

Davis: You‐you were not nowhere in this until one interview happened, then‐

Patton: And then we just kept confirmation and confirmation and confirmation.

McGowan: No‐then‐then‐then, okay. Wow.

Patton: So, let’s go back to‐let’s go back to‐

McGowan: Y’all should know better than that shit. Y’all know exactly what the fuck happened. You know how close second shift is?

Davis: We know.

McGowan: If that’s the case, seriously? Why are we even having this conversation?

Davis: Because your name came up.

McGowan: Because my name came up.

Patton: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: And it was‐

McGowan: And then all of a sudden, I’m untruthful.

Davis: ‐and it wasn’t a rumor, according, that person had knowledge.

McGowan: So, okay, had knowledge? So, that person was there when I fucked her? Is that what y’all are saying?

Davis: No, it’s‐

McGowan: Because nobody was at my house but Meagan and if y’all want me to download my fucking cameras, I’ll download my cameras.

Davis: No, you already said she was there. I mean, that’s not‐

McGowan: Yeah, I’m‐I’m not trying to hide nothing, guys.

Davis: No, we‐we just saying that‐that your name, and I’m being as truthful as I honestly can, and I told you that your name wasn’t in this. Someone put you in this.

McGowan: All of a sudden, I’m in the middle of this shit?

Davis: And then‐then after that person put you in this‐

McGowan: Okay. Somebody else put me in it, then somebody else‐

Davis: That’s why you’re sitting here like this.

McGowan: and then somebody else.

Davis: Yeah.

McGowan: Wow! Okay.

Davis: Well, one thing we know‐

McGowan: It don’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what the fuck’s going on here. And the more I’m thinking about it, the more I’m getting pissed because I’ve proved beyond a reasonable doubt that I have not even touched that girl.

Davis: Well, let me say this‐

McGowan: And if I could have‐

Davis: Let me say this. You’re pissed at the wrong people, okay. So‐

McGowan: I’m sorry‐

Davis: This‐this is us, okay.

McGowan: I understand.

Davis: And we didn’t do it. And like I said, me and you, we got‐we got history. You know, you’re my boy, you’re the person that I’ve felt that I could vent to here and I’m sitting up here on the, we ain’t never been on this side like this.

McGowan: No, we have never been like this.

Davis: So, how do you think I feel right now?

McGowan: How do you think I feel‐

Davis: [inaudible] so, we can get this over and done with.

McGowan: How do you think I feel sitting in front of the person that I’ve been 100% honest with my whole entire eighteen fucking years of being here, and then somebody that doesn’t know me, but I confided in him, and I trusted him since day one, calling me a fucking liar? How do you think I feel about that? That’s where I’m at. So, we’ll get back, we’ll rewind, regroup, and go back to it. I don’t understand why my name is in the middle of this. No, I did not fuck her. Nor would I fuck her.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: Could I have fucked her? Holy Jesus, do you know how many times I could have fucked her? You read for yourself.

Patton: Mm‐hmm, I did.

McGowan: How many times did I fucking turn that shit down?

Patton: I don’t know, Ty. Because I don’t believe‐

McGowan: You don’t believe‐see, once again, you don’t believe it, that’s cool, whatever. I’ve turned it down. I’ve turned it down time after time after time. Before any of these guys even knew her.

Patton: Did you meet with Lewis and coordinate denying this to me?

McGowan: No, the only thing I’ve met with Lewis was about his wife, Sheree and we can go into more detail of that but I don’t want to because that’s him and his personal life. That’s the only thing that I even‐we even talked about.

Patton: Did you meet with Meagan and‐

McGowan: I did not meet with Meagan.

Patton: ‐encourage her to deny it?

McGowan: No. I did not‐

Patton: ‐stick to the story.

McGowan: No. I did not‐no, I did not meet with Meagan. When did‐when did this happen? When did it when did it supposedly happen?

Patton: Between the time you and I talked on the 14th and‐

McGowan: No!

Patton: ‐and yesterday.

McGowan: When did it happen? I‐I want to know when.

Patton: Actually‐

McGowan: I keep a detailed group‐a detailed book of the things that I do.

Patton: Wow.

McGowan: Okay, and usually you see me running around with that white book. If I meet with him and talk with him about something, I write it down. The time and the date. If I meet with you and‐meet with you, or we do anything, you’ve seen how organized I am. That’s how organized I am. When was the time and the date, so I can debunk it right now?

Patton: So, how did‐with all of those details, how are we sitting here?

McGowan: Because somebody, somewhere is trying to fuck me and I’d really like to know who that fucking person is.

Patton: So, you didn’t talk to‐

Davis: Well, you know the deal on that.

McGowan: I know the deal on that.

Patton: You didn’t talk to the Mayor?

McGowan: Not about this, no. I didn’t.

Patton: You called the Mayor twice yesterday, he ignored both of your phone calls.

McGowan: Yeah, he ignored, that’s my‐

Patton: Why did he ignore your phone calls?

McGowan: I don’t know, ask him, I still‐

Patton: I have asked him.

McGowan: I have no idea. You ask him.

Patton: I have asked him, Ty.

McGowan: Okay. I haven’t‐I haven’t talked to him, you just said yourself.

Patton: So, the Mayor is lying that you called him and talked with him, is that your answer?

McGowan: I did not call and talk to him about the Meagan Hall situation.

Patton: So, he’s lying?

McGowan: Oh my god.

Patton: Is that what you’re telling me?

McGowan: I did not call and talk to him about Meagan Hall.

Patton: Is the Mayor lying to me?

McGowan: I don’t know what the Mayor is doing, but I’m telling you, I’m not lying.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Do me a favor, just take a deep breath right now. You’re upset. I

McGowan: I’m more than pissed, I’m more than pissed.

Davis: ‐this is‐this is‐this is big.

McGowan: This is huge.

Davis: This is big.

McGowan: This is huge and I’m in the middle of it?

Davis: That water is yours too, if you need it.

McGowan: I don’t need it. I’m in the middle of this and I’m not supposed to be.

Davis: That’s why I went back‐

McGowan: That’s why I’ve been more than‐

Davis: ‐that’s why I asked you, who and why? Who‐who would have it out for you and why?

McGowan: We all‐

Davis: Do they feel like you’ve got information on them, I mean, what could it be?

McGowan: I’ve got information on everything. I‐it’s just like‐

Davis: Did somebody catch wind of that?

McGowan: Somebody‐

Patton: Tell me what happened last Thursday, why did you text me? Why did you text me last Thursday and tell me that you wanted to talk to me about‐

McGowan: We’ll‐we’ll talk about it.

Patton: This is the place to talk about it.

McGowan: This ain’t‐because it ain’t got shit to do with it. It’s about‐

Davis: [inaudible]

McGowan: No, no, it’s about rumors. It’s about rumors about me and what I do. I‐I mean, and people talk to other people and these circles are not as small as these motherfuckers think they are.

Davis: Let me say this. Ain’t nothing came to me, ain’t nothing came to me about you and what you‐well, only‐only one thing and it ain’t really you, it’s about the guys going to the gym with you and then all pile up and go to lunch later on.

McGowan: Oh, no that don’t happen.

Davis: Right. That‐that’s the biggest thing.

McGowan: Yeah, nobody‐nobody

Davis: We talk about‐we even talked about that in this setting.

McGowan: Yeah.

Davis: Uh, about that and well we know that you‐it’s a double‐edged sword.

McGowan: Yeah.

Patton: Hey, do you stop Ty from going in the gym and training himself and people?

McGowan: Yeah.

Davis: Or do we have fat, weak people?

McGowan: No, yeah.

Davis: So, that was‐that was that you know, conversation. I said, so, I‐I appreciate it but on the side of the detectives, because that has been conversation, and I said I don’t necessarily like it because they still‐they still pile up in a car and go to lunch after they’ve been in here you know, all that time. So, to me they have to pick and choose, you know if they’re going to work out, that they need to decide to bring their lunch and eat at their desk.

McGowan: And they do. That’s what they do now.

Davis: Most of, well I, I see them, I don’t say anything. I’ve seen it.

McGowan: I‐I get it but if you go over there right now, you go in the refrigerator, Steve Crotts’ lunchbox is a tall‐taller lunch box with a, it’s kind of, it goes up big at the bottom and then comes up kind of‐kind of like that.

Davis: Yeah, well I’m not saying that‐

McGowan: Bobby’s wife‐

Davis: I’m not saying that it doesn’t, but that’s the perception that‐

McGowan: I and I get it, I understand what you’re saying but‐

Davis: And that’s not just coming from this side, because you remember, not‐not the gym thing but the gathering out back.

McGowan: Yeah.

Davis: It overlooks Bruce’s office.

McGowan: I get it.

Davis: You know what I’m saying?

McGowan: Oh, trust me. I get it.

Davis: You remember‐you remember, that was [inaudible] office and that’s how she got Ted. Hey, Ted, your‐your truck ain’t moving in three days.

McGowan: Yeah. I get it. I get it.

Davis: But that’s the only thing that, nothing about performance, nothing about any of those things so, so, those rumors, it hasn’t made it to me and I would tell you about hey, we need to discuss something.

McGowan: Yeah. And I would‐I would respond accordingly.

Davis: Yeah.

McGowan: I would respond the same way. I’ve finally gotten them to look at the bigger picture as far as, you go in here, you’re burning all of these calories and then you’re going out to Logan’s and eating a trough full of food and‐

Davis: And they do that, they’ll go to El Rodeo or whatever but that‐

McGowan: Yeah, and I get that and I understand that but, I’m sorry.

Davis: Which brings me back to why? Why‐why would, you know? This stuff being said.

McGowan: If‐if you kick me out of Narcotics, if you get me out of Narcotics, that opens up‐that’s revenge for what everybody thinks what happened to Eddie because everybody including, everybody that I mentioned as far as David, uh David, all of second shift except maybe for Eric, Eric still acts like he loves me. So, I don’t know. Bob, definitely. But these guys, I mean, whatever, that’s their shift. Their‐

Davis: You’re saying it’s not true.

McGowan: ‐y’all going‐y’all gonna kick it together. No, it’s not fucking true. I ain’t fucked her, I ain’t fucked V, I ain’t fucked‐I ain’t fucked none of those girls, man fuck. Meagan’s fucked up in the head, V is more fucked up in the head. No, man. Fuck, and they’re both babies. I’ll put my word up against any of those motherfucker’s words.

Patton: Can you tell me about what happened in the HR office with Bethany and you?

McGowan: What the fuck are you talking about?

Patton: You came into the office and grabbed her neck, did something‐

McGowan: Oh.

Patton: ‐can you tell me about that?

McGowan: So, so that’s‐that’s, oh my god.

Davis: This is something, yeah.

McGowan: I did, I went in there and we‐we were playing around, oh my god, we were joking around and I actually, I did that. I mean, I did that, I‐I went around and I, and I came from behind her and I didn’t grab her, it was more of a like, like simulating or whatnot, and I believe Webster walked by.

Patton: It was witnessed.

McGowan: Yeah.

Patton: That’s how I got it. I didn’t get it from Bethany until I confronted her with it.

McGowan: Yeah, okay.

Patton: It was witnessed.

McGowan: Whatever. Now I don’t believe you. But uh, yeah. That‐that’s what happened with that, I actually did that.

Patton: Did you have a conversation with Meagan Hall at one point where you said‐

McGowan: Nope.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: You’ve seen everything that I’ve had, there’s no phone calls between me and Hall‐

Patton: Okay. Is there anything else you’d like to tell me?

McGowan: There’s no phone calls between me and Meagan Hall, everything’s documented uh via text message. She doesn’t call, she doesn’t call. There’s no‐I don’t think there’s one call‐

Patton: Did you ever send her nudes of yourself or dick pics?

McGowan: Nudes? Dick pic? No, not a dick pic, no. No.

Patton: Okay. I don’t‐Chief, I don’t think we’re going to make any progress here.

Davis: You said what?

Patton: I don’t think we’re going to make any progress on anything here. Do you have any questions? Ty, I just want to point out that you interrupted my last question um, before I finished it‐

McGowan: I’m sorry.

Patton: ‐so, just as a general, is there anything that you would like to share? Since you don’t want me to ask questions, is there anything that you would like to share?

McGowan: No, you can ask your last question, if you don’t mind.

Patton: Okay. My last question was do you remember a conversation you had with Meagan Hall early on when she was training, where you potentially told her “if you ever want to have sex, if you ever want to use me, let me know?”

McGowan: No.

Patton: Okay.

McGowan: I don’t remember that.

Patton: Okay, okay.

McGowan: I will‐I will self‐report this incident and I hate‐I hate doing this, I hate doing this uh fuck. There was uh one incident, where nothing happened um, is there any way I can talk to Chip? I mean, Chief‐Chief Davis.

Patton: Without me?

McGowan: Yes. Just, off the record‐I‐I need to‐kind of like an FOP kind of

Patton: Sure, I’ll just pause that recording. I’ll pick it back up. [recording pauses, then resumes]

Patton: Okay, I’m back in the room.

Davis: Excuse me.

Patton: Where are we at?

McGowan: I’m trying to find the picture so I can find the date.

Davis: Okay.

McGowan: I don’t know if I‐I’m trying to get specifics, I don’t know the‐I don’t know the date. Alright, before, I’ll just go ahead and put it out there um, before Meagan was an Officer here uh, when she passed the PT‐the PT and the uh the um the written test, me, her and uh, me, her, V, her husband, and uh‐Meagan’s husband, went out and we ended up back at their house uh, there was some drinking going on or whatnot and uh, and um, Meagan and‐Meagan got uh undressed and uh V didn’t all the way get underdressed, but she did take‐she did take some clothes off but she didn’t get all the way undressed, and um, I’m going to have to get my other phone because this‐this phone‐this phone doesn’t have it, this is a newer phone. But uh, she got all‐she didn’t get all the way undressed but Meagan pretty much did. Um, after uh, V called somebody to come pick her up and she left and uh, and that’s when like things went kind of south as far as her husband was concerned. Her husband got like really mad, I don’t know if it was a mixture because of V left and I stayed, or not, or whatever‐whatever the case was. Uh, and uh, she got‐it was before I was even, I wasn’t even a Ser‐I wasn’t a Sergeant then. Um, he got up‐he got upset and um, after‐after everything was said and done, um, he got really pissed, I mean really pissed at her to the point that you know, thank god everything was done as far as all the work in the gym and everything was done, the‐and um, pretty much forbade her to like talk to me, associate with me, and stuff like that. Um, now that night I think I did, matter of a fact I know for a fact, I sent a dick pic to her. But she saw me take it and send it to her.

Davis: But you said she wasn’t an employee?

McGowan: No, she wasn’t an employee. No, she had just passed everything, that was uh‐that’s why I was trying to get the picture so, I can get the properties off the picture, to get the date. And we‐I mean, like I said, all this stuff as far as proving where I was at or whatnot um, Meagan hadn’t been over to my house‐Meagan came to my house one‐one other time uh one other time to the fact that, you saw it with your own eyes, she didn’t know my address, I had to send her my address because it had been so long, but.

Davis: Is that the time that you’re referring to, that you said she was there or something like that?

McGowan: No, that’s not‐no, no‐

Davis: Okay.

McGowan: ‐I’m talking about the‐the time, the December one, whenever she‐whenever her mother or whatnot tried to attempt suicide, she got mad, her dad whatnot, I can’t be alone, I need to come over here or whatnot and‐and

Davis: [inaudible]

McGowan: Huh? I mean, I can‐got the text messages, the text messages are right here.

Patton: Is that all that happened that night?

McGowan: Yep.

Patton: Is you sent her a dick pic, nothing else happened?

McGowan: Nothing else happened. She got‐she got naked and there was pictures taken, there was pictures taken and whatnot. But yeah that was‐that was it, nothing else happened, like V left‐V left and uh‐um, and I left like right after V did, I left right after V did. Like, nobody got like totally nude and like nobody was totally fucked up, nobody was fucked up or whatnot. Um, but that’s the only thing‐that’s the only time, yeah I did, I did do that. That’s the only time that I did, I sent that and‐and just for the record, I don’t know if you’re still recording or not, but that’s what I was asking, should I‐should I refer to that?

Patton: Yeah, I paused the recording when I left.

McGowan: I‐I don’t trust nobody. But uh, I was asking I mean, should I even mention that? Because the only reason, the only reason I didn’t want to mention it is because it involved somebody else that wasn’t even an Officer at the time, because Meagan got hired before V. So, you bring V in or whatnot and that involves another fucking Officer and here we go, blah, blah, blah. Which V

Davis: Actually, that means it wasn’t an employee.

McGowan: Yeah, neither one of them were employees but that‐that’s how‐

Davis: Unless it‐

Patton: Well, you said she was a candidate because she had passed the PT and the written test.

McGowan: Yeah, she‐

Davis: But, I guess he’s saying she didn’t‐

McGowan: Yeah, I didn’t‐I mean, that’s what I was asking about, just‐just whatever. What am I looking at here? But yeah, she didn’t‐I mean, the time‐the time before that she asked me about it, this was like last year, last year sometime, she come‐she had come over‐I can’t remember, she was going through something and she asked me advice‐it wasn’t that, it wasn’t that, it was actually the V situation that she came over to my house and that was the last time before this time that she had been there.

Davis: The academy situation?

McGowan: The academy situation. She came over there‐

Davis: [inaudible]

McGowan: ‐yeah, she came over there to ask me for advice with that and whatnot and I‐you know, of course that situation was “hey, this looks fucked up, you shouldn’t.” You know. But the only thing I was doing was trying to you know, he‐he made me, and I was like “that’s not what it looks like.” Why even volunteer that information or whatnot, so. But as far as December 3rd? Nah, didn’t fuck her.

Patton: Okay. I‐I still don’t think I have anything else at this point. Do you have anything? Okay.

Davis: I just‐I’m trying to figure out why we have multiple people coming after you and saying these things. If it ain’t true then we’ve got a big problem.

McGowan: Well, December 3rd, I fished a tournament.

Patton: It‐it wasn’t the 3rd, you told me it was the 4th. The text‐

McGowan: December‐

Patton: The text was from the 4th, it was a Sunday.

McGowan: December 4th I fished a tournament. I was tired and I know‐oh, that was Sunday, yeah.

Patton: You were at your house and doing fishing rods and doing [inaudible]‐

McGowan: No, no, no, no, no, no.

Patton: That was what you told me when we met on the 14th.

McGowan: Oh, I was‐I was putting my fishing rods up, okay. I stand corrected. I wasn’t‐okay. Whenever you say doing fishing rods, I’m thinking like Friday or Saturday.

Patton: Yeah and you said like Sunday your routine is like clothing‐

McGowan: Yeah, meal prep‐

Patton: ‐meal prep, fishing rods‐

McGowan: ‐fishing‐put the fishing rods up, put the fishing tackle up, throw away the stuff that’s in the tackle box or whatnot, and I’ve got pictures, that’s‐that’s the tournament that I won‐we won over Mike [inaudible] was the 4th. That’s why I’m saying, after that, she came over, I didn’t want‐man, god dang it if I could go back in time, son. I didn’t think it was going to lead to this kind of conversation.

Davis: What was that conversation like?

McGowan: The conversation‐

Davis: Cause I‐so, let me say this, whatever y’all talked about, of course I wasn’t privy to it, because I don’t know anything about that. But, what was that conversation about?

McGowan: That conversation was about her mom and how her dad didn’t care. She said basically he called nonchalantly or whatnot about the uh‐about the uh‐about the mom trying to commit suicide or whatnot. She‐she gave me details about, I guess apparently she put a knife to her throat and he grabbed the knife and then took her to the hospital and whenever uh, whenever she uh, whenever uh, whenever she got the call from him that he was so nonchalant about it and didn’t even really‐didn’t even act like he cared, like he cared about what happened to her mom and she was so‐she was so distraught about that, about him not caring and which kind of made her feel like he didn’t care about nobody and‐and why would you do your child like that and tell them like, no, just like it’s day‐you know, like every other day, like your mom just tried to commit suicide, we’re going to take her to the hospital, alright well, I’m going to let you go. So, she was really‐she was really throbbing on that. Um, she was um the conversation about uh that’s the first time I heard about the party, she was talking about the party as far as uh, um, she was there and uh, she said her bra kept coming off and all this other stuff, and I was like wardrobe malfunction‐

Davis: The [inaudible] party that you just talked about?

McGowan: No.

Davis: Okay.

McGowan: No. The party at uh with Eric.

Davis: The house boat?

McGowan: Yeah. So, she was talking about that and she was talking about how uh, how uh the uh‐she kept, her bra kept coming down or whatnot and exposing her breasts or whatnot and she said that uh, she went into a room, or Eric put her into a room and he was really protective of her or whatnot and that‐that uh, she was drunk but she wasn’t‐she was pretending to be more drunk than what she was and that she did want‐she wanted to have sex with‐nobody, nobody could because of Eric. She said Eric was blocking and‐and wouldn’t let her have sex with who‐whoever the fuck was there, I don’t‐I don’t know who all was there, I wasn’t there, this is just her story. I know uh, the only person that I know that she mentioned was uh Eric and David, that’s the only two people that I know she mentioned in that‐in that story. Um, even with that‐

Davis: So, she said David was attempting to?

McGowan: No, she didn’t say he was attempting to, she just said that uh‐

Davis: She wanted to?

McGowan: She‐yeah. Well, no‐

Davis: Or trying to or whatever.

McGowan: She just mentioned his name like‐like she, what happened, almost like she would‐I can’t quote that because she didn’t say that. It was almost like, you know what I mean? Like insinuation, but she said that David was there. Um, then the conversation went from‐it went from the Momma, like hey, what‐what’s on your mind? She’s just sitting there blankly looking at the TV. I remember because that’s the week‐the week before, I cancelled Comcast, and all I’ve got it T‐Mobile right now and streaming shit, Youtube TV, Roku, I’ve got a smart TV. So, she was just kind of‐I don’t know, I think I had Netflix on, I don’t even know what movie was on, but she was just standing there blankly, and I was like “Talk to me, what the fuck’s going on with you?” and whatnot. And then that’s when she came off with that. Um, [inaudible] went from her mother’s suicide to the uh‐the party and then it went from the party to Jed. So, she was like okay, so, Jed apparently, in their relationship, Jed’s allowed to sleep with other women and she told me about some girl spending the night and she stayed on the couch, she stayed on the couch where‐and the girl, whoever this girl was, I don’t know a name, I don’t know who she is, but some girl slept in the bed with him. Um, and she‐she stayed on the couch and she says it’s unfair how he gets to have sex with these girls or whatnot and uh, that she doesn’t get to do anything that she really wants to do. She says‐and then I was like “So, y’all‐y’all don’t‐y’all do threesomes, right?” and she was like “Yeah, we do threesomes but it’s always gotta be a girl, it can never be a guy.” And I was like, oh fuck, I said, “Whatever‐whatever y’all do, if that’s y’all’s kink, that’s y’all’s kink.” Uh, from there uh, I put Django Unchained on Netflix. Uh, she kind of got uncomfortable with that movie, if y’all know what that is, she kind of got uncomfortable with that movie. So, uh I went, took her out, like I said, I‐where she parked, man, you can see, I live on the main strip. I wasn’t trying to hide that she was there because I know my intentions, this is in the day, if my intentions were dishonorable, I’m sorry, you’re not going to be seen at my house, I was shocked, a two‐bay, I can put two cars over here and one car over here. I’ve got prep station, finishing station in my shop. She could have parked there if I’m trying to hide the fact that I’m doing something with her. But anyway, we went to the shop, showed her my Nissan and what I did with the hydraulics. After that, I said, “I’ve got to go to the gym.” Because this is when I was‐I was changing out the drying, I had already got my‐I think I made hamburgers that day for meal prep, I made all of my hamburgers‐made all my hamburgers, got them in the‐in the thing, in the container to put in my refrigerator in my office. After that, we went out there, I showed her that, then I came back in, the drying was done, and I don’t‐I don’t let, as you can see, I don’t let drying just stay in there, I hang everything up and uh‐and uh she came back there with me. That was‐this is the only time she was in my bedroom. She came back there, she saw that my clothes were color coordinated, jeans, uh dry fit shirts, um, red shirts, I don’t own any white shirts, blue shirts and black shirts and then all my hoodies. That was the only time she was in my bedroom and nothing happened.

Davis: So‐so, here’s where we are. We have to determine who’s telling the truth and who’s telling a lie.

McGowan: Polygraph.

Davis: We got you, you know, saying one thing, and then we’ve got others saying another.

McGowan: Polygraph.

Davis: And we just right stuck dead in the middle.

McGowan: Polygraph.

Davis: Let me ask you this, do you know that she’s been with anybody at this department?

McGowan: I can’t say for a fact, but Lewis is the only one that I can actually say that‐that I‐because I wasn’t there, 98, 99% sure. That’s the only person that I can say. Anybody else, no. I can’t say. Now the rumors is, everybody including people like County and Murfreesboro, like we’re not the only‐this is not the only group she’s got, she’s got bodies everywhere. That’s‐that’s the rumor.

Davis: What about the Fire Department?

McGowan: I ain’t never heard anything about that.

Davis: Not about Fire?

McGowan: No.

Davis: And nobody else here?

McGowan: Nobody else here.

Davis: And not you?

McGowan: Definitely not me. Y’all don’t think‐y’all don’t think that shit’s funny? Y’all don’t think that shit’s funny? I’ve known her before she even worked here‐

Davis: Let me say this‐

McGowan: ‐and I’ve‐I’ve had sex with her twice. That makes sense to you?

Davis: Let‐let me say this, ain’t nothing funny right now. We’ve been‐

McGowan: No, man. Hey‐

Davis: ‐we’ve been doing this for [inaudible]‐

McGowan: I get it, I get it because there’s a lot of truth coming over but there’s also a lot of lies coming out.

Davis: Well we would much rather be spending our time doing something else other than this because I mean, one of‐one of the things for me‐

McGowan: Two times, wow.

Davis: One of the things‐well, the first time wasn’t really on my watch, I just had to end it. But the first scandal on‐on second shift, then this scandal is on my watch.

McGowan: Yeah.

Davis: And I’m like, well shit, I’m supposed to be looking and seeing what’s going on, and I don’t know shit about this and then I come here and this damn near sex ring or whatever‐

McGowan: Yeah.

Davis: ‐on‐on second shift.

McGowan: On second shift.

Davis: And‐and yeah, but your name came up in it.

McGowan: On second shift, when do you see my ass around here on second shift besides on a Sunday?

Davis: You know‐

McGowan: And that bitch don’t even work on a Sunday.

Davis: And we’re just, I mean‐

McGowan: I’m sorry, she don’t work on Sunday.

Davis: ‐we’re just trying‐we’re just trying to clear who we can clear. But everybody who’s name has been mentioned, we’re talking to and we may get more information, we may not get any information. But, we’re here and that’s why you’re here. You know, it’s not because of anything‐it’s not because of anything that was found on a piece of paper, something like that, we’re here directly because it came out of people’s mouth that you were intimate with her. And you know, the City policy says

McGowan: I know exactly what it says.

Davis: ‐as long as it’s known.

McGowan: Yeah, I understand what the City policy says.

Davis: You know, and‐and we boys.

McGowan: Chip, you know good and‐I mean, Chief, you know‐

Davis: I mean it is what it is, yeah and‐and‐

McGowan: You know.

Davis: And no, you have no said that to me, but still. Look at this, look at that, I mean. We just want to get it done, we want to deal with it‐

McGowan: Man, y’all were‐man, okay.

Davis: ‐we can’t.

McGowan: Hey, all I’m saying‐

Davis: We can’t. Because now based upon what you’re telling us, we have to bring all of these people back in‐

McGowan: I’m getting those open records. On the record, I’m getting the open records because this is bullshit.

Davis: We got to bring all those people in, I‐I don’t care, I mean, that’s‐that’s‐

McGowan: Oh, I’m getting this shit.

Davis: So, I mean‐

McGowan: I’m getting this, nope. If somebody wants to say‐

Davis: ‐I want to get to the bottom of it‐

McGowan: If somebody want to hand me up because‐

Davis: I don’t want this on me.

McGowan: Yep.

Davis: Going into the Christmas‐the Christmas day, Christmas Eve‐

McGowan: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: ‐I’m looking forward, especially after all this is seeing, y’all know my kids, seeing my baby girls and all that open up their gifts and all that kind of stuff‐

McGowan: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: ‐having this in the back of my mind, I want to deal with that. I need to be putting all the focus on trying to stay as physically and mentally healthy, as healthy as I possibly can, and here we are, we’re dealing with this. I just‐I just‐but if you say you haven’t. I mean, even to the point of saying polygraph.

McGowan: Polygraph. I signed that Garrity without hesitation, I’ll sign a fucking polygraph without hesitation. I didn’t fuck that bitch. I’m done‐I’m done with her. She‐she better not even‐she‐man, advice, this and that, okay. Gotcha. No more advice from me. And now I’m feeling some kind of way about second shift because y’all said it with your own mouths. My name wasn’t initially in the thing and then all of a sudden, boom, I’m the focus of the investigation.

Davis: Not the focus. Not‐not the focus‐

McGowan: Man, y’all ain’t treating me like I’m not the focus.

Davis: Not the focus. Well no, you’re just the person that we’re talking to at the time, you know.

McGowan: Okay.

Davis: There’s been others in here. You know that.

McGowan: Yeah.

Davis: You‐you know there’s been others in here and it’s just been asking questions and we’re asking questions based upon the information that was received, it’s not anything, it’s not any kind of games, it’s not, you know, he asked you questions I have no clue about.

McGowan: Yeah.

Davis: Uh, it’s just information, following‐up, you know how it go, following up on information that you received.

McGowan: I keep all of my receipts, bro.

Davis: It’s not‐it’s not‐it’s not fun, this is hard for me.

McGowan: I get it. I keep all of my fucking receipts. I keep everything, all my receipts.

Patton: So, Ty um, we’re going to suspend you today with uh administrative pay. Um, the‐the boundaries will be, you’re not allowed to participate in anything City of LaVergne. Um, you’re not to talk to anybody who works at the City of Lavergne except for Chief and myself uh pending the outcome of this investigation. Uh, when this investigation is complete we will invite you back in for whatever the determination was. Um, suspending with pay uh simply means there’s no adverse financial impact on you. Um, but we have enough corroborated information to‐to make that decision today.

McGowan: Alright.

Patton: Okay. Do you have any questions for me on that?

McGowan: Nope.

Patton: Okay. Chief‐Chief will handle next steps with you.

McGowan: Oh my god.

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OFFICER MEAGAN HALL- FINAL INTERVIEW

HR Interview of Meagan Hall (367) – Part 3

Patton: So [inaudible]

Hall: [inaudible]

Davis: [inaudible]

Hall: Does um, does Lewis know I said anything?

Patton: I have not in any single conversation uh had‐um said like “Hey, Meagan told me that.” I try‐thank you. I try very hard when I’m doing investigations to only ask questions that like I already know the answers to. Um, and I don’t ever really get into naming other people. Um, I often will say like “I know this happened.” Or “I know this took place.” Um, and a lot of times in cases people can deduce “Well, it must have come from Meagan.” So, you know, for Lewis when we met with him and I talked specifically about the Planet Fitness thing as confirmation, that’s going to‐he’s going to know probably where that came from. Um, but I don’t ever say “Hey, can you tell me why Meagan is saying this or that?”

Hall: That’s good. [inaudible] but then he asked me a question to [inaudible]

Patton: I probably would not at this point since the investigation is still open comment on what anybody else said or didn’t say. But I’m happy to um you know, answer anything I can. Did he ask me questions?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: No, I don’t think he asked me any questions. You were there, I don’t think he asked me any questions.

Davis: He didn’t ask any questions. Um, his second interview he‐he didn’t ask any questions, he didn’t want to talk or anything.

Patton: Yeah.

Hall: I think I’m just like, the main this is I’m really concerned that what he’ll do if he finds out that I’ve admitted to it. Because of like kind of how he treated me during the ongoing relationship.

Davis: Talk about that because in your text you said that you were concerned because of what he was saying. What‐what was that all about?

Hall: Well I mean it’s like throughout the whole time we were doing it, I was always kind of afraid to end things with him or I’d go back and he kind of pressured me into coming back [inaudible]. It would kind of change the way we work together and he wouldn’t make like direct threats or anything but especially once he was like warning me of the IA and telling me about an IA and everything. Uh, things he would say like, if I didn’t deny it like it was more of indirect threats, if anything.

Patton: What did that sound like? [inaudible] come to mind?

Hall: It was just like “Things aren’t going to end good if this happens, I’ll lose my wife and kids and job, it’s on you. You have to live with that.” And like he knows where I live and [inaudible] it’s just more concerning than anything. It’s like [inaudible] my house one day and see his truck at my house.

Patton: Right, right.

Hall: [inaudible] I mean, he’s only texted me once since my follow‐up because [inaudible]. He hasn’t tried to contact me or anything since then. But throughout the whole like us being together thing every now and then he wouldn’t like threaten me, I just felt like I was more [inaudible] and things just because of his position and every now and then if something happened at work he’d be like “Don’t worry about it.” That was kind of it and it was like [inaudible] So, it’s like he never played the like “I’m a Sergeant.” Or anything like that but it was more like‐I‐I didn’t want to ask.

Patton: But if he‐

Hall: That’s what he was‐

Patton: Yeah, and what you’re saying too is if he said “Hey, if something happens” and he says “don’t worry about it, just do this.” That’s like trading.

Hall: I’m just afraid he’s going to do something to me, Jed, or something. Because I mean, he knows where he lives, he’s not going to drive from Smyrna to Manchester just to talk.

Patton: Right, right.

Hall: And that’s my biggest concern is‐

Patton: Can you tell me more about what the‐I don’t know what the lack of a better term is but the conspiracy to cover this whole thing up. Um, when that conversation took place at Planet Fitness, can you tell me more about like what specifically was said there on his part to you and also what he told you about his conversation with Ty?

Hall: So, Ty he just mentioned how he got pulled into it and Ty said he denied it. Like, which wasn’t true [inaudible]. It was just he kept saying “I didn’t say shit. What happens in my personal life is my personal life, it’s none of your business. You just need to deny it if this gets out. I’m going to lose my job and everything, I’ll never see my kids and that’s going to be on you because if you crack under pressure then it’s not going to end well.” But I mean, I didn’t really ask him what he means by “it’s not going to end well” I just kind of took it and brushed it off. But when I was talking about us [inaudible] I told him that like whenever we were together he always told me “if anyone finds out or if you sleep with anyone else then it’s over, things are going to be different, work’s going to be different.” It’s kind of why I started sleeping with other people. Almost like so, I wouldn’t have‐because like, we had really rough conversations if I tried to end it so, I was wanting him to have to end it so I could avoid the conflict. And I didn’t‐it just got out of hand. I never wish‐I did that to myself and I get it. But I just feel like he was kind of aggressive.

Patton: Can you speak to what the‐I mean, you probably know the answers, you guys both [inaudible] the‐the criminal aspect, what‐what’s at her disposal?

Davis: Yeah, I’m looking at it I’m just trying to think. Um, did he ever directly use his rank or anything to‐

Hall: Never specifically, no. It’s like he would say things without saying it.

Davis: Like what?

Hall: Like “Don’t worry about it.” And then later on throughout the day he like “You can just give me head.”

Davis: You said what now?

Hall: “You can just give me head or just nut in my mouth, or I’d nut in your mouth” Or things like that.

Patton: Yeah.

Hall: Like he was never direct with it, it’s mostly like in person or on the phone but it was just‐I‐I may just be taking it wrong. But I’m more so just kind of worried that when he finds out, like if he requests a copy of this and he finds out that I [inaudible]. I just don’t know what he’s going to say and if you know‐

Patton: Well, I mean the public records thing, once it’s closed that’s on the table for anybody.

Hall: Yeah, I mean I understand that.

Patton: Can’t avoid that but um, I mean, I think Chief and I both, we both care about you as a person too. Um, and I’m sure if there are resources that can be available we’ll bring them to the table. Um‐

Davis: Yeah. [inaudible]

Patton: But he hasn’t reached out to you since?

Hall: Only that one time.

Patton: Just the one time.

Davis: What did he say in that?

Hall: He just asked if I was good. I deleted his number and‐

Patton: Have you thought about changing your phone number?

Hall: I thought about it but it’s a hassle.

Patton: It is.

Hall: [inaudible]

Patton: My‐obviously, not something that I can tell you to do, right. But maybe a smart move because it will eliminate a large portion of people who you probably don’t want to have you know, put the power back in your control too as far as who has your number. What about Ty? Has he contacted you?

Hall: No one’s contacted me since the last time I [inaudible].

Patton: Okay. Um, you okay if I ask a couple of questions just for some clarity on some things?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: I’m trying to understand specifically on Ty you know, you didn’t give me Ty first, somebody else gave me Ty first. Okay. So, you confirmed what‐the information I already had. I’m trying to wrap my head around why he’s denying it.

Hall: Why he’s denying it too?

Patton: Adamantly denying it.

Hall: I mean, it might just be because he’s a Sergeant.

Patton: Self‐protection.

Hall: [inaudible] That would make sense when I did ask him, he said he knows [inaudible].

Patton: Do you know about any health conditions that he’s facing right now? And no other thoughts on your end about why he would just stick to this, it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen?

Hall: [inaudible] I don’t know.

Patton: Okay.

Davis: Let me ask you this. You wouldn’t lie about it would you?

Hall: Huh?

Davis: You wouldn’t lie about it would you? About Ty? Being with Ty.

Hall: Well, no, yeah, I wouldn’t lie or anything.

Davis: The reason why I ask that is because we want to rule out the angle of “Oh, she’s just trying to get back at me.” Or‐or something of that nature, like that. I have no reason not to believe you, let me just say that.

Hall: I mean, I wouldn’t admit to having sex with him at all.

Davis: Right, right. At the moment that you said that I think that was your breaking point right there. So, I have my reasons to believe in that.

Patton: While‐while you weren’t truthful in the first meeting I felt like you have continued to come back. I mean, you said to me on that phone call or text or phone call or whatever, that first phone call when it was like “Hey, I don’t want to lie. This kind of eats at me.” Right? I believe that and I think that’s probably why we keep revisiting things, right? But that’s why, I think that’s where that question comes from is like, everything you’ve told us, I’ve checked out and it’s been confirmed. Except for Ty. But I have it from some other person too, not just you and I got it from some other person before it came from you. Um, it’s just that puzzle piece of why there’s such a denial there, you know. Um, any reason that to date you haven’t brought up Seneca Shields?

Hall: Seneca [inaudible]

Patton: Did you do anything with Seneca?

Hall: [inaudible]

Patton: What about the gym? The gym behind PD?

Davis: The weight room.

Patton: The weight room. I got a report that you gave him a blowjob in the weight room.

Hall: We made out.

Patton: You made out? You didn’t give him a blow job?

Hall: [inaudible]

Patton: So, what I have is that you‐it was an off work day, you came in, asked him to come over to help you work on something.

Hall: Yeah, we were working out.

Patton: And he came over and then‐and then there was a blow job that was given and then he went back to work and you went home.

Hall: We were making out [inaudible] oral sex [inaudible].

Davis: Was it‐was it something that you all had planned to do or something that just happened?

Hall: It was definitely [inaudible].

Patton: Have you guys have been sending nudes back and forth to each other? Any reason why you didn’t bring that, his name up to me early on?

Hall: It was so awkward [inaudible].

Patton: Okay. It’s just one of those pieces that you know, I heard about last week and I knew we were going to you know, be getting together so. So, do you know why he would tell me a different story about the gym?

Hall: Same reason I don’t know why Ty would deny it. I was up front about it. [inaudible]

Patton: Is there any kind of relationship like bro code between Ty and Seneca‐

Hall: Probably. I mean, they work in the same building.

Patton: Yeah. That one’s puzzling. Um, is there any other‐any other male or female Officer that you made out with or had any kind of sexual relations with that we haven’t talked about at all?

Hall: I think that’s [inaudible].

Patton: Um, and then I have one question about kind of the leading up to the mental health stuff. Um, did you ever unload a weapon and dry fire at your head so you could hear what it sounded like?

Hall: [inaudible] it wasn’t my duty weapon.

Patton: Wasn’t your duty, it was your personal. Okay. So, what‐how‐Chief what can we do on the concerns about Powell and‐

Davis: Well, I want to talk a little bit more.

Patton: Go ahead, go ahead.

Davis: Why you feel that feel threatened. I know you said something then that he alluded to but you never really said what.

Hall: It’s more of just he’s extremely persistent like there were times when I really didn’t want to have sex and he would kind of throw it on me like [inaudible] he would do it.

Davis: How would‐what would he do or what would he say to get you to go ahead and give in on that?

Hall: He was just extremely persistent um, a lot of the times I would end up just doing it just to get him to stop asking and there was one time where I did too and during it I was just kind of ready for him to finish so we could get over with it and he after he was like “I could tell you really weren’t into that. You must really care about me, thank you for letting me finish. It shows how you really care about me.” And everything else, like yeah, [inaudible] like if I say no, he’ll just keep asking “We’ll do it tomorrow” [inaudible] and then “I’ve done so much for you, I’ve helped you” Or “Done so much for you in your personal life.”

Davis: What has he done for you?

Hall: He‐he I mean lets me vent every now and then but‐

Davis: He did what now?

Hall: I mean he’ll let me vent to him. He claims he gives me relationship advice for my marriage and he goes the extra mile to help me out at work [inaudible] and things like that. [inaudible] He was like “I wouldn’t be doing this if we didn’t have a relationship like we do.” So, it was more just like‐

Patton: Quid pro quo?

Davis: Yeah.

Hall: Yeah. I didn’t want things to be different at work because he’s on our shift all the time. Most of [inaudible]

Davis: Yeah [inaudible]

Patton: Do you, I think I asked you earlier on, of like was everything consensual, did you ever feel pressured like there was an assault that took place at any point?

Hall: He never forced me [inaudible].

Patton: Okay.

Davis: [inaudible]

Hall: At the end of the day it was consensual because I agreed to it.

Patton: Right.

Hall: It’s not like I said no, he said well screw you [inaudible] it’s like, I couldn’t figure out a way to get out of it. I was kind of stuck until I finally just told him “Hey, I fucked someone else.” And then he ended it. Because I just [inaudible] have him [inaudible].

Patton: Yeah.

Davis: How was his attitude towards you when you [inaudible] somebody else?

Hall: [inaudible] he was like “You betrayed me, I thought you cared about me, no one’s here but me, you really hurt me.” One time he uh‐when I tried ending it, he called me, he drank a whole bottle of Jack, and he said “I just want to kill myself. I wanted to drive off and get into a wreck and it’s because of you.”

Davis: Powell said this?

Hall: He said “It’s because of you and you did this to me and you hurt me. Just because I was trying to end it.” but I was like “Don’t do that, don’t drive drunk.” So, I convinced him to get some sleep, we stopped texting after a while.

Davis: Did he have that stuff in text messages?

Hall: Huh?

Davis: Did he have that in text messages to you about wanting to do all of this stuff?

Hall: No, he called me about that.

Patton: This is messy.

Hall: I wish I would have just came up front about me and him so all of that could have been avoided. [inaudible] said the same thing, he would have helped me through it and he kind of understands why all of it got started. The rest of it [inaudible] but he feels bad that I was put in that position which is kind of helping us right now.

Patton: Yeah, yeah 100% on the employment end disclosure would have solved the whole thing.

Davis: You had an avenue that I gave you right after.

Hall: Huh?

Davis: I gave you the avenue [inaudible] to come talk to me. I’m just tripping, I always get on you about that. [inaudible] So, how do you feel at home? Do you feel like [inaudible] does he know where you live?

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: How do you‐how do you feel at home by yourself? What shift [inaudible]?

Hall: Huh?

Davis: What shift is [inaudible] working?

Hall: Uh, he’s six to six. He was [inaudible]

Davis: [inaudible]

Hall: Mm‐hmm. I mean, he always drives past the house all the time and he knows like‐

Davis: Okay.

Patton: He’s in the County where y’all live?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Davis: Okay, okay.

Hall: He knows a lot of guys at Manchester so he’s always telling them to just stop by the house and look out for his [inaudible].

Davis: So, do you think he could put a close watch or something on y’all’s house while he’s in‐

Hall: He’s already done that. When he’s at work I try to stay out of the house, just kind of go and do things.

Davis: Try to stay out of the house? So, what I will probably do is I will probably research some things, I’ll probably go back and research some things and probably reach out to you and call you or something like that. Ask some more questions, so I can see [inaudible]

Patton: What kind of protection stuff [inaudible]

Davis: Protection or and if there’s anything to pursue on our end of it. [inaudible] You know, like I always tell you, this situation [inaudible]. For your well being as well too. I just‐I just have to look at some stuff to find out. Because some of the things‐some of the things that you’re saying can be [inaudible] official

impression. I just need to read up on it what you’re [inaudible].

Hall: I mean, I don’t want to get him in trouble I’m more so just‐

Davis: No, but, but again, you’re trying to protect you, okay? You’re trying to protect you, you know, you have a concern about it, even if it’s [inaudible] to him, nothing ever happens [inaudible]

Patton: I go back and forth when we talk. There are moments where I feel like you’re present and honest and then there are moments where I feel like you protect and are not completely honest and then we end up having a follow‐up conversation or something and it comes out. I feel that way about the Seneca conversation. Like I feel like I want to go back and revisit that again with you, right. So, I had‐ I’ve had somebody that brought me a “her and Seneca” um, and then I’ve had a conversation to get what was brought to me confirmed, and then you deny it. So, I‐and I think I asked you early on about like a fetish, where you‐do you have like a foot fetish and you said no. But it’s come back up again and it’s from a different person.

Hall: You didn’t ask me that.

Patton: I didn’t ask you that. Do you have a foot fetish? Do you send pictures of your feet to people?

Hall: I don’t, Ty does.

Patton: Ty has a foot fetish? And so, he would ask you for pictures of your feet?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Did you send pictures of your feet to Seneca?

Hall: [inaudible] I know I did to Ty. [inaudible]

Patton: I know you did Ty too, because I saw them.

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: By‐by request

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: ‐from him. But none to Seneca?

Hall: I may have, I don’t‐

Patton: So, you’re saying [inaudible] but as far as you can remember all you and Seneca have done is made out?

Davis: Let me ask you this and‐and don’t think I’m crazy but what’s your definition of “made out?”

Hall: Kissing, feeling up, like kissing and touching.

Davis: I just want to put that on [inaudible]

Patton: Do you remember somebody coming‐I‐I don’t have a date when this took place but it was sometime in the last couple of months in the gym, do you remember somebody coming in, an Officer, male Officer, coming in when you and Seneca were‐you were off‐duty, he was on‐duty, he came over to help you, another Officer came in, do you remember that day or that moment that stood out?

Hall: I mean, Liedtke came out after‐

Patton: And then left and the two of you stayed?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: And then after Liedtke left, again I’m sorry I don’t want to keep beating a dead horse there, but there wasn’t a sexual act that took place in the gym according to you?

Hall: I mean, like I said, we made out I [inaudible] hand job.

Patton: You gave him a hand job?

Hall: Yeah, it wasn’t a blow job.

Patton: Okay. There’s just conflicting information out there on that topic and since you hadn’t brought Seneca up that’s why I’m kind of stuck on it. Like why, why did this one get left out? And if this got left out, who else got left out? You know what I mean? It only happened one time with Seneca? You guys talk the next day and like what, said like “It’s not a‐“ did he initiate that conversation the next day or did you?

Hall: I want to say I came to him and say we probably shouldn’t.

Patton: Shouldn’t do that.

Hall: Get things started.

Patton: Okay. What else is‐what else do we need to clarify that you can think of? After the Planet Fitness meeting which was like last Wednesday, two Wednesdays ago?

Hall: It was the Wednesday before my first interview.

Patton: Okay, yeah. Okay. Um, have‐have you‐has there been anymore conversation about sticking to the story, covering up, has there been any more comments, do you know of anybody else who’s actively trying to lie during the course of this investigation?

Hall: Not that I know of. Lewis was the only one, I guess Ty too. [inaudible]

Davis: Did you have direct contact with Ty about this investigation?

Hall: I had called him.

Davis: What‐what did he say if you remember?

Hall: I asked uh if he said anything to HR and all he said was “I don’t know what you’re talking about, this conversation didn’t happen.” Type of thing and then we just started talking about the gym and some things like that. [inaudible]

Davis: Did he never tell you to deny anything or anything?

Hall: He didn’t say to deny it, it was more of just like this conversation didn’t happen and we just kind of moved on.

Davis: But Lewis did.

Hall: Yes, multiple times.

Davis: [inaudible]

Patton: Um, do you know anything about other relationships Ty is having whether at work or off work?

Hall: I’ve heard V but he said no.

Patton: You guys talked about whether he was with V and he said no?

Hall: Mm‐hmm. I said there was rumors going around, he said no.

Patton: Anybody else at work?

Hall: Not that I know of.

Patton: What about outside of work? Does he ever talk about his life outside of work?

Hall: We used to be really close, we just kind of we just don’t talk on a regular basis now.

Patton: Any knowledge about him getting married?

Hall: Recently? I have no idea. I know he was married at one point and had kids.

Patton: Yeah. This would be like something new, like getting, going to get married.

Hall: [inaudible] unless he’s keeping a secret.

Davis: What kind of [inaudible]

Hall: It was more of just we stopped, because like when I first started, I’d be here on day shift training so, I’d see him every day. But I got moved to second [inaudible] working weekends [inaudible] so, I just didn’t see him as much.

Patton: And how many times were you with him sexually?

Hall: Twice.

Patton: And the last time was the week of your um when you went into the hospital.

Hall: Hospital. That Sunday.

Patton: Did you go, when you were at his house, did you go into some kind of like a barn or auto shop or

does he have a vehicle that he’s working on or something there? Like an out building?

Hall: We didn’t go into it, we went into his house.

Patton: Just only in his house.

Davis: [inaudible]

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Went outside to the barn or anything like that?

Patton: Does he have a car that he’s working on?

Hall: Uh, I think he has a truck.

Patton: A truck.

Davis: Truck.

Patton: But you guys never went out there?

Hall: We just stayed in his house.

Patton: Was he uh meal prepping that day?

Hall: Uh, he was waiting until after the gym, he used to do it [inaudible] and then he went to the gym and he was going to meal prep after.

Davis: [inaudible] meal prep while you were there‐

Patton: He wasn’t meal prepping while you were there?

Hall: No.

Davis: So, not taking you back to the act [inaudible] itself. What happened like kind of detailed, was it I went to his house and went straight to this or hung out for a little while or?

Hall: Well that week I was definitely not in my right state of mind. So, I just wanted to initially talk and we were just laying on the couch together and then we talked for a little bit, he made me a drink and we um started feeling around, made our way to the bedroom and then I just left after that because he wanted to go to the gym at the station.

Patton: Can you tell me‐can you tell me about an encounter you had with him before you were an official Officer? At your house.

Hall: Uh, yeah. So, I don’t remember what it was but me and V were together hanging out. He met us at Chili’s in Murfreesboro, we all got some drinks, we went back to my house, we were hanging out for a little bit. Um, Jed came home, we started drinking. Ty wanted to try to get Jed to have a thing with all of us. We played strip Uno and then V went out onto the patio with Jed, me and Ty kissed for a little bit and then that was it.

Patton: Um, do you remember getting fully undressed?

Hall: No, I wasn’t fully undressed.

Patton: Was V undressed?

Hall: I think we were both in our bra and underwear.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: [inaudible]

Patton: And then do you recall being in the bedroom or a room with Ty when he took a picture of himself and sent it to you? Of his penis and sent it to you?

Hall: It was the hallway.

Patton: In the hallway?

Hall: Yeah. It’s an apartment so it’s like a living room, the hallway with the bathroom and the‐the

bedroom but the doors were closed so, we were in the hallway.

Patton: So, what part of um of the process were you in with us at that point? The hiring process, what part were you in?

Hall: I think it was after the psych eval. I think we were celebrating that we just finished the psych and so, we weren’t officially hired but we were like close.

Patton: You and V?

Hall: Mm‐hmm.

Patton: And how did Ty get in that mix?

Hall: Because he had been helping us through the PT test the whole time. So, we would all meet up at the station, run through the course, [inaudible]. And we were just excited so, we told him [inaudible] because he kept telling us not to worry about the psych, and we were like “Hey, we just passed, do you want to go out for drinks?” So, [inaudible].

Patton: Do you have any photos, videos or text messages from him that you could share with me that would support anything that you’ve told us?

Hall: I don’t. I mean, I know V, she probably I’m assuming she would admit to that happening. But that’s about it.

Patton: Was she present when he took a picture of himself?

Hall: I think she was out on the‐because him and, I mean my husband and her went out to smoke on the patio that we have.

Patton: Did she leave shortly after that, she call a ride?

Hall: Yeah, it was like, because her and her husband were fighting so, uh she had like a friend or something that came, some boy, that came and picked her up and then Ty left a little bit later.

Patton: And just you and Jed were there?

Hall: Yeah.

Davis: Do you have any information that she may have been with anybody at the [inaudible]?

Hall: [inaudible]

Patton: What have you heard?

Hall: Her, Senecca‐

Patton: Because we’re‐we’re past the point of hearing rumors, we’ve now validated many of these rumors.

Hall: Right.

Patton: So, who else have you heard?

Hall: Um, her and Seneca, Ty, I think Larry. And I know she was constantly texting Lewis trying to get them to hook up but he kept denying.

Patton: So, the same group‐the same group of guys.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: But I didn’t hear Lugo, I didn’t hear PMag.

Hall: They may have‐well, so, PMag did say he’d bang her if he got the chance but I don’t know if he ever did.

Patton: Okay. What else? What have I not asked about that’s still going to haunt you or that you wish you would have said to clear your soul?

Hall: I feel like we’ve touched everything.

Patton: It’s been a lot.

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Still seeing your counselor?

Hall: Yeah. Actually, I went today.

Patton: Still being honest?

Hall: Yeah, he’s helping me.

Patton: Okay.

Hall: About to go to couple’s counseling.

Patton: Good. You guys are going to try to stay together?

Hall: Yeah.

Patton: Have you been 100% honest with your husband? That was brutal, probably worse than me and Chief, right?

Hall: Yeah. It was‐it wasn’t easy but uh, I’m glad I told him.

Patton: Yeah.

Hall: [inaudible]

Patton: You and PMag talking right now? Anybody on shift?

Hall: At the PD? Well I mean, me and Cailey and me and Tackette talk. But it’s more about other things [inaudible] because they kind of went through the same stuff.

Patton: Right.

Hall: But nothing about any of this.

Patton: Okay. Well, the door is still open if you want to talk I’m going to let Chief handle all of the protect stuff, that’s outside my scope. But um certainly retaliation, fears, anything like that um don’t sit on any of that, you know. Keep it, especially if it comes in written form or something, keep it, share that with Chief or something. So, that you can use that as a resource to help prove what’s happening.

Hall: Okay.

Patton: If you happen to discover that you have anything saved, photos, videos, texts, anything that pops up um that would be helpful for me. I will say that um others have been throwing their personal cells on the table and it’s [inaudible] so.

Hall: I don’t have anything on mine [inaudible] I deleted all of them.

Patton: Yeah, yeah. Did you like also delete all of your like deleted photos and deleted texts? Like you cleared the whole thing? Okay.

Hall: I feel like this started [inaudible] completely just get rid of all of it.

Patton: Right, right. Was that before we met the first time or before the hospital?

Hall: Before the hospital.

Patton: Before the hospital, okay. Okay. What questions still linger for us? Okay.

Davis: Keep hanging in there. Keep hanging in there, my line of communication is open, sometimes a little slow but I get to it [inaudible]. Um, it’s not over yet, the investigation is not over yet, we’re about to have another holiday, so.

Patton: You should get your paycheck this week just like anybody else.

Hall: Okay. So, y’all are just doing the time cards?

Davis: We just did eight hours, I mean ten hours [inaudible]

Patton: It’s forty hours of admin, forty hours of admin just gets supplied. Um so, it‐it should hit your box

just like it normally would. Okay. Anything else? Okay. Drive safely.

Hall: Thank you.

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